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might appeal to you there's a whole

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bunch of them well here at least some of

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them during the course of our three-hour

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episode we'll get into that in just a

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moment the last time we talked to Chris

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he was speaking to us from California on

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a mobile phone it didn't sound so good

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yeah so maybe you could flesh out your

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trip to the west coast a bit more

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because they will relate in a few

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minutes to our guests well not much to

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say I had a good time there was will

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good turnout for my talks I spoke in San

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Jose and you know down el la MUFON and

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Orange County MUFON and then um I did an

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appearance on our good friend Greg

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bishops show radio Mysterio so I had a

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good time

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visited Greg and saw his wonderful book

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collection my god he's got an incredible

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whole shelf full assigned you know books

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some going all the way back into the

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contactee period he had our first

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edition charles fort i think lo just a

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wonderful wonderful book collection of

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course we didn't have much time to hang

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out because i ended up having to leave

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the following morning

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but oh no it was a good trip left with a

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ton of books and came back empty-handed

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and it's the kind of empty handedness

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you want because those are books at

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yourself yes yes that was good also I

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think I brought ten doom handbooks which

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also sold very well in these uncertain

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times it's quite a interesting book

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Adventures unlimited just published it

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it's based on the US military survival

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manual and it's it's fleshed out and

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geared more towards a civilian reader

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but boy talk about having having

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everything in it but the kitchen sink

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how to break how to bring a kitchen sink

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with you when the world it doesn't but

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it probably has how to build one every

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type of shelter water for purification

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birthin babies tracheotomies i really

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want to perform a tracheotomy let me

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have that section of the book I'll get

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my implements ready it's amazing it's

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one of the cooler books I think I've

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ever seen but if it's not in there you

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don't need to know it you know if if all

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these crazy you know History Channel

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shows are correct we're you know we're

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getting to the end of the Mayan calendar

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and we're all gonna die so for those of

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us that don't die you need a doom

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handbook okay so maybe we should be

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offering the doom a handbook can we get

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more copies just simple or something

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yeah you know it's it's amazing

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one thing was a little disconcerting no

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I mean it's it's very genuine astray 'td

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lots of how-to photographs and or

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drawings and stuff in but the woman

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giving birth to the baby has a Playboy

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bunny tattoo I found that a little

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disconcerting alright okay so if the

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world is about to end or you're going to

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be put in the position like you were say

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in the movie Star Trek first contact

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obviously there had been some kind of

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world war and only colonies of

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kind were left and this was what 2050 so

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I guess in 2050 we have to have lots of

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copies of this book and we of course

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also have to allow the inventor of warp

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drive to complete his invention before

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the board gets him all right ok Jean you

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don't know what I'm talking about there

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you kind of sort of rings a bell ok this

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was one of the better Star Trek movies

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and I guess it was showing what happens

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to man humans in the wake of some

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worldwide catastrophe and there are so

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many movies like that you know in the

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early part of the 21st century

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everything falls apart

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mmm ok and and we wonder why do they

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feel they must do that who the producers

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that make these movies or sure and

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writers who write the stories and you

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have you know you know is that what they

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want to happen to our world

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well yeah energy does follow thought I

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mean it the way things are going I mean

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just look at the State of the Union

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address the other night or the the

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Republican primaries that are going on I

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mean this is enough to give anybody the

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the feeling they're worthy in the end

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times and that the world doesn't have

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much luck nikooei

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newt gingrich's president oh my goodness

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what is the world coming to

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ladies and gentlemen that is a political

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statement that comes from christopher

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o'brien unfortunately I agree with him

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so now all those who are in favor of

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Newt Gingrich for president are going to

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boycott the show oh well we are used to

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getting ourselves in trouble though

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that's rather see rush limbaugh glenn

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beck or somebody president a newt

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gingrich that guy just gives me that

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creeps he does I mean there's something

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wrong about the dude sorry well you know

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I guess we're going to see how it plays

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out and we'll know possibly we'll know

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more by the time you folks hear this

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show let's remind you of like some like

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newly discovered that I don't know so

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species of toad the guys so toad like

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something wrong about it I expect you

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know let's say now going to be writing

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us about this or agree with us depending

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on your view you know we have a

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fascinating show today and I think maybe

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we should segue from newt to our two

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guests well I I had a great time you

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know finally getting up to Northern

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California and speaking to a MUFON group

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up there and Rubin is the head of that

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group Rubin you are today is a really

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interesting guy I've I've you know been

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in touch with him on and off over the

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years and really haven't had a chance to

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visit him and his you know his MUFON

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group up in in San Jose I was very very

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pleased that they invited me to come up

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and we we did have a a good time getting

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to know each other a little better and I

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suggested that he and his co-author come

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on the show and talk about their new

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book and he readily agreed to do that so

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this is gonna be fun

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the case that they're gonna be

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discussing I think at length is one of

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the more I think enigmatic cases on

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record I'm not that up to speed on the

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case I haven't read the book

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unfortunately but I'm sure Rubin and his

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co-author and noe I think his name is

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noe Torres are gonna really give us the

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the lowdown on this particular case

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which I think Cora Lorenzen called it

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one of the better cases out there and

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one of the more interesting cases so

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this is gonna be a lot of fun and this

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will be Rubens first trip here to the

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pair of casts and hopefully for the

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first of many

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some audio clips now one of these audio

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clips are these interview is about the

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case I believe so yes I think they're

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interviewing I'm not sure which clip

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series bringing but I think there may be

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interviews with family members that were

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involved in this particular case I don't

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want to spill the beans on it too much

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here well I'm sure Reuben will do a good

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job of introducing them we had to engage

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in some sort of trickery here because

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normally we don't present audio clips we

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one show you know one or two shows we

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this seemed to be the sort of show that

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warrants that kind of treatment

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well gene your tech wizard so you can

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worse I am I resemble that remark as a

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political comments of just a few moments

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resemble you no no no just just the name

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it's just something wrong there used to

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be a song one of the shows played it's

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just wrong but I think it was probably

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Howard Stern used to do that you know

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you know he get into some really strange

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thing and he'd say what's wrong what's

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yes very good thank you my son is very

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now the book is called aliens in the

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forest the Cisco Grove UFO encounter now

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we're hitting a world here where of

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course everyone has been told that the

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case to die for is Roswell except of

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course when you don't believe in Roswell

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this case occurred some years back

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hasn't gotten all the publicity that

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maybe it should have gotten so either of

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you Reuben or noe why don't you give us

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a brief background err of the case and

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as we progress we'll listen to those

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interviews noe once you go ahead and

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then I'll jump in under more the other

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items go ahead this is one of the most

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remarkable UFO encounters from the 1960s

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and Rubin and I have been in the field

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for quite some time especially Rubin

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much longer than I and when he first

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sent me the materials that he had

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acquired all the case files from from

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this particular incident he sent them to

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me with a note that this was and is one

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of the most amazing UFO cases that he

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has ever run into in his long experience

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in the field of doing UFO investigations

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it occurred on September 4th 1964 in

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Northern California east of Sacramento

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in a national forest known as the Tahoe

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National Forest and in 1964 the world

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had been through a very remarkable UFO

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abduction case the Betty and Barney Hill

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encounter of 1961 and New Hampshire and

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of course most everybody had heard about

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this and here was a case from 1964 that

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we're going to talk about tonight that

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shares

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a lot of characteristics with the Betty

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and Barney Hill case as well as with two

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other very famous cases the Pascagoula

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Mississippi UFO abduction of Charles

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Hickson and Calvin Parker in 1973 and

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also the Travis Walton case which also

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occurred in the 70s in the case of Betty

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and Barney Hill the case we're talking

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about tonight the Cisco Grove UFO

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encounter and Pascagoula all three were

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investigated by dr. J Allen Hynek and

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dr. James harder two of the leading

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civilian UFO investigators of the early

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60s and actually all the way through the

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70s and all three of them J Allen Hynek

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James harder and dr. Anita brothers who

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were involved in these investigations

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thought that these three cases much more

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than some of the others of that time

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period really were highly significant

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were highly credible and had extremely

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believable testimonies from our

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witnesses however this particular case

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that we're talking about tonight did not

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get the media attention that Betty and

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Barney Hill pascagoula and the Travis

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Walton case got and there's a actually

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quite an easy explanation for that and

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that is that the principal witness in

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this case mr. Donnell Shrum at the time

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of the incident in 1964 was working for

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one of the nation's leading missile

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defense contractors Aerojet Corporation

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of Sacramento and he worked in their

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assembly plant where they assembled

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Titan missiles Polaris missiles and a

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wide range of missile systems and

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missile boosters that were in use at

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that time for the space program as well

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as for the defense of our country so mr.

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Schramm was very reluctant to have his

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identity revealed to the world as a UFO

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witness and near abductee and he felt

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and we and you know evidence and history

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have proven that he was very likely

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correct in thinking that if he came out

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this and and was to public about it then

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his position with this leading missile

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defense contractor would definitely be

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in jeopardy and as he has told Reuben

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and me it was a time in his life when he

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could not afford to be without a job so

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basically it came down to he didn't want

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to reveal his identity so his name was

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never given it's only been in the past

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couple of years when Reuben and I

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primarily Reuben made contact with the

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with the lead witness in this case mr.

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Donnell shrum who at the time of this

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incident lived in the Sacramento area

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it's only been in the past couple of

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years that mister Shrum finally has

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revealed you know all the particulars of

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the case he has agreed to have his

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identity and the identity of the two

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other men that went hunting with him

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that day when they encountered the UFOs

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and the ETS he has finally agreed to

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make all of that public for the first

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time ever and he chose and we're very

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appreciative that he chose Ruben Uriarte

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and myself to tell this amazing story

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for the first time in its entirety in

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this new book called aliens in the

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forest that we're gonna talk about

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tonight so that kind of sets the stage

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for for this story okay

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progressing from there all right we have

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the basic introduction about this

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particular case now when you say of

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course that it's in the ballpark of

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Arnie and Betty Hill and Pascagoula

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we're talking of course as you say about

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an abduction instance here right this

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was what we classify as a near abduction

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okay so it's a near abduction he wasn't

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actually taken aboard he actually fought

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his own personal war of the worlds' at

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night and in the end he prevailed and

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was able to thwart this massive attempt

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that was being made to take him and so

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it's an amazing story and unlike a lot

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of others you know a lot of times we

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hear about abductees being taken fairly

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easily with a minimal amount of

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resistance they're not able to resist or

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whatever attempts they make to resist

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are unsuccessful in this case as well

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here tonight

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and in his own words because we have

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clips that Ruben made in interviewing

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the the lead eyewitness as well here

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tonight he resisted to the last ounce of

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his strength always keeping in mind that

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if he lit into the situation he may not

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ever be returning home again he actually

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won out so that's why we call it an ear

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abduction experience I might add this is

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quite unusual for a case of this type to

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actually occur because as most of the

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para cast listeners are listening

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audience out there knows most abductions

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are done you know are enacted on people

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that have no control over the situation

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this particular case is quite easy in

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that regard where he did have recourse

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he was not his motor functions went

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frozen that sort of thing so why don't

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we start in on kind of setting the stage

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of these guys on they're going on their

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hunting trip and and give us an idea of

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exactly the chain of events that

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occurred once again you will be hearing

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some of the interviews that our guests

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have made with the witnesses you get a

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sense which is more than you normally

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get with a lot of these stories of the

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people the sincerity and you can decide

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for yourself what you think about

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everything

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once again the book from our guests on

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the power cast this week Ruben you are

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Tay and noe torus is aliens in the

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forest the Cisco Grove UFO encounter

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you'll learn more on the other side of

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

611
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in to the para cast let me tell you what

612
00:27:12,639 --> 00:27:09,109
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

613
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

614
00:27:19,569 --> 00:27:15,349
that George snoring we're learning about

615
00:27:22,209 --> 00:27:19,579
the Cisco Grove UFO encounter with Ruben

616
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,219
your taya and no II Taurus as we

617
00:27:26,499 --> 00:27:25,279
progress we will present some of that I

618
00:27:28,719 --> 00:27:26,509
guess he'll call them I witness

619
00:27:28,959 --> 00:27:28,729
testimony right guys that's exactly

620
00:27:31,209 --> 00:27:28,969
right

621
00:27:34,959 --> 00:27:31,219
Ruben has interviewed mr. Shrum

622
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:34,969
extensively and will be listening to a

623
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:39,529
very good recording of the interview

624
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:41,929
that Ruben Uriarte did with mr. Schramm

625
00:27:49,719 --> 00:27:45,440
recently in his home and it's very clear

626
00:27:52,299 --> 00:27:49,729
we can hear the sincerity and the the

627
00:27:54,219 --> 00:27:52,309
depth of the experience as it was felt

628
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:54,229
by mr. Schramm that evening so we're

629
00:27:56,879 --> 00:27:56,089
gonna be right there with him and the

630
00:27:59,409 --> 00:27:56,889
forest

631
00:28:01,930 --> 00:27:59,419
witnessing these things I just wanted to

632
00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:01,940
add before we get right into it just a

633
00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:03,950
little addition a little background is

634
00:28:09,459 --> 00:28:07,070
that this case was investigated by a

635
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:09,469
principal investigator by the name of

636
00:28:14,949 --> 00:28:12,769
mr. Paul Cerny who was with nycap at the

637
00:28:16,479 --> 00:28:14,959
time and that was the national

638
00:28:20,169 --> 00:28:16,489
investigation Committee on aerial

639
00:28:23,649 --> 00:28:20,179
phenomenon sis back in 1965 where he had

640
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:23,659
received a request from major Keyhoe to

641
00:28:29,469 --> 00:28:27,049
who was heading the NICAP at the time to

642
00:28:32,229 --> 00:28:29,479
conduct the investigation Kehoe had

643
00:28:35,949 --> 00:28:32,239
received a letter from Don Trump's wife

644
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:35,959
and explaining this unusual event that

645
00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:39,529
had happened years later the way I came

646
00:28:47,469 --> 00:28:42,950
across it was that I had a file of

647
00:28:52,299 --> 00:28:47,479
Paul's Ernie's cases Paul's Ernie passed

648
00:28:55,719 --> 00:28:52,309
away almost 12 years ago and in that in

649
00:28:58,719 --> 00:28:55,729
these files which I'm a member of MUFON

650
00:29:01,060 --> 00:28:58,729
I'm the director of Northern California

651
00:29:03,609 --> 00:29:01,070
moon thought and Paul Sarnia at that

652
00:29:05,649 --> 00:29:03,619
time was the previous director then he

653
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:05,659
got promoted into a higher level

654
00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:08,450
position within MUFON but when I

655
00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:10,870
acquired these files and

656
00:29:14,790 --> 00:29:12,940
thing that struck my mind was what was

657
00:29:18,210 --> 00:29:14,800
referred to as the bow and arrow case

658
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:18,220
and I looked at it and I said my god I

659
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:20,770
gotta meet this man someday there as

660
00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:23,410
know he had mentioned there's been some

661
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:25,660
not too much covered on it there were

662
00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:28,090
some articles that have been written

663
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:31,030
over the years but nothing compared to

664
00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:34,090
the thoroughness and the accuracy that

665
00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:37,240
was given to us from mr. Don shrub so we

666
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,430
can could move on and go ahead noe and

667
00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:40,960
you would mind

668
00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:46,420
continuing with the overview okay we

669
00:29:51,419 --> 00:29:49,240
know that major Keyhoe certainly gave

670
00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:51,429
publicity to a larger number of cases in

671
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:53,230
his various books and this is at the

672
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:56,110
time that NICAP was really you know

673
00:30:00,000 --> 00:29:58,090
quite a popular organization they had

674
00:30:03,150 --> 00:30:00,010
some business related problems later on

675
00:30:05,419 --> 00:30:03,160
but nycap was the big thing then you

676
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:05,429
know and I kept the major organizations

677
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:08,230
but Kehoe didn't make a big deal of this

678
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:12,090
well he did in a sense of initially

679
00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:15,610
sending mr. Paulson's Ernie who did a

680
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:17,860
very very thorough report which is an

681
00:30:24,810 --> 00:30:21,250
inner book and the other aspect again

682
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:24,820
was that Paul Cerny had to respect and

683
00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:28,050
protect mr. Don Shrum and his anonymity

684
00:30:33,030 --> 00:30:30,460
but like as I mentioned before there

685
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:33,040
were some articles an overview that was

686
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:35,770
written the problem was that other there

687
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:37,120
were more additional articles that was

688
00:30:40,980 --> 00:30:38,710
written about this case based on the

689
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:40,990
original article and then in depth

690
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:44,890
information was changed and so you never

691
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:46,809
really got the complete picture so

692
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:49,570
tonight we hope to share with the

693
00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:53,320
audience through the interviews that we

694
00:30:57,419 --> 00:30:54,790
were good that we conducted with Don's

695
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,429
from some of the remarkable things that

696
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,440
happened and the extraordinary battle

697
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:02,080
that he had back in 1964 and this is one

698
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:04,210
of the things you see in these abduction

699
00:31:09,270 --> 00:31:06,730
cases the people seem to take it they

700
00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:09,280
accept it and this is so opposite that

701
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:11,980
obviously yeah this this man uses wits

702
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:14,950
he uses resources the guy I mean he

703
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:18,370
amazed me up to this day when I listened

704
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:20,290
to his you know his whole and start the

705
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:23,830
entire story I was just

706
00:31:28,889 --> 00:31:26,559
at all and so when I had sent the

707
00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:28,899
documents to noe and both noe and I

708
00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:31,480
started to discuss this case and then

709
00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:34,269
conversely more with Don shrum we were

710
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:36,580
just totally at all and totally blown

711
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,769
away by but this man had to encounter

712
00:31:43,139 --> 00:31:40,960
and I didn't until - you know up till

713
00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:43,149
today he's still there are some

714
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:45,640
ramifications based on this experience

715
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:47,769
that he's still it's still going through

716
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:50,289
some very tough times psychological you

717
00:31:58,379 --> 00:31:54,090
say Oh moral when we get more into it

718
00:32:02,759 --> 00:31:58,389
traumatic symptoms here he had a number

719
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,769
of nightmares but he what what he really

720
00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:04,480
wanted was he wanted to get this story

721
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:08,950
out to the public and about this

722
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:11,919
particular story that he that he had

723
00:32:17,340 --> 00:32:15,490
encountered and who knows I mean there

724
00:32:19,289 --> 00:32:17,350
might be other stories very similar that

725
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,299
were not aware of that has never gotten

726
00:32:22,769 --> 00:32:21,039
the publicity or other researchers

727
00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:22,779
haven't had a chance to really research

728
00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:24,820
to really get into maybe something

729
00:32:28,289 --> 00:32:26,409
similar but like nobody had mentioned

730
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:28,299
there are similarities between some of

731
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:30,730
these other major cases that were very

732
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,850
very focused back in you know Betty and

733
00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:35,919
Barney Hill and as you know he had

734
00:32:41,009 --> 00:32:38,620
mentioned the Pascagoula alien abduction

735
00:32:42,690 --> 00:32:41,019
cases okay where should we progress here

736
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:42,700
would you like to start playing one of

737
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:44,260
these interviews so we get a sense of

738
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:47,289
what this gentleman's like yeah I'm

739
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:49,450
gonna set the stage for the first clip

740
00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:52,570
and now what I want you to do is give me

741
00:32:56,639 --> 00:32:54,070
the name of the clip so I know which one

742
00:32:58,169 --> 00:32:56,649
to choose yeah we're going to we're

743
00:33:00,240 --> 00:32:58,179
going to be going to the appearance of

744
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:00,250
the mothership which kind of initiated

745
00:33:05,789 --> 00:33:02,409
the whole thing here in a few in a

746
00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:05,799
couple moments I want to lead up to that

747
00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:08,230
by talking about you know what they were

748
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:10,750
doing at the time and so forth so this

749
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:13,450
was September of 4th 1964 and it was a

750
00:33:19,529 --> 00:33:16,690
Friday and all three men that were that

751
00:33:22,350 --> 00:33:19,539
went out hunting that day all three of

752
00:33:24,049 --> 00:33:22,360
them worked at Aerojet corporation of

753
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:24,059
Sacramento as I had mentioned previously

754
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:28,330
and mr. Schramm who was the principal

755
00:33:33,870 --> 00:33:31,090
eyewitness in this case who was 26 years

756
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:33,880
old at the time he's now in his in his

757
00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:36,890
middle 70s he worked as a welder

758
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,500
and a painter for Aerojet and at the

759
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:42,080
time of this incident he was working on

760
00:33:48,970 --> 00:33:46,130
the Polaris missiles the Titans and the

761
00:33:52,210 --> 00:33:48,980
hawk surface-to-surface missiles and he

762
00:33:54,610 --> 00:33:52,220
has told us that he distinctly remembers

763
00:33:57,250 --> 00:33:54,620
you know what it was like at that time

764
00:34:00,490 --> 00:33:57,260
to be to be doing all that and the other

765
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:00,500
two hunters that went with him were also

766
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:02,210
working at the same factory there in

767
00:34:07,299 --> 00:34:04,970
Sacramento so they decided they had a

768
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:07,309
long weekend they decided they had been

769
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:10,010
out hunting before but not exactly in

770
00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:12,590
the same area so they decided to go out

771
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:15,740
to the Tahoe National Forest which is

772
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:19,790
east of Sacramento close to the border

773
00:34:26,830 --> 00:34:24,409
with Nevada and so the hunters took what

774
00:34:29,379 --> 00:34:26,840
was then known as route 40 to the east

775
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:29,389
it's now roughly corresponds to

776
00:34:37,230 --> 00:34:33,679
interstate highway 80 and they they made

777
00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:37,240
camp down in an area near Cisco Grove

778
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:40,550
California which is in the Indo Tahoe

779
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:42,710
National Forest and there's a place

780
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:46,010
there called the Loch Leven lakes and it

781
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:48,169
was near one of the those small lakes

782
00:34:52,750 --> 00:34:50,450
that they set up camp early in the day

783
00:34:55,330 --> 00:34:52,760
on Friday and then they walked around

784
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:55,340
and and I don't think I mentioned

785
00:34:59,740 --> 00:34:57,530
earlier that this was a bow hunting

786
00:35:03,400 --> 00:34:59,750
expedition because it wasn't rifle

787
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:03,410
season yet the men had been out they had

788
00:35:07,870 --> 00:35:05,780
been out previously hunting both with

789
00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:07,880
rifle using rifles as well as bow and

790
00:35:12,820 --> 00:35:10,670
arrow so this particular case before the

791
00:35:14,830 --> 00:35:12,830
start of the rifle season they went out

792
00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:14,840
with their bow and arrows and they were

793
00:35:20,890 --> 00:35:17,750
looking primarily for deer so they spent

794
00:35:23,859 --> 00:35:20,900
the day on Friday looking around and not

795
00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:23,869
able to find much in the way of you know

796
00:35:30,099 --> 00:35:27,100
game and so it was getting near dark

797
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:30,109
mister schrum found himself on one side

798
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:33,170
of a ravine and one of the other hunters

799
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:34,970
was on the opposite side of the ravine

800
00:35:39,490 --> 00:35:37,130
from him and then the third hunter was

801
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:39,500
down below and what in the canyon or the

802
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:41,390
base of the ravine and they were all

803
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:43,790
moving parallel to each other they had

804
00:35:48,820 --> 00:35:46,730
no communication equipment they had been

805
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:48,830
trying to remain roughly with an earshot

806
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:50,170
of each other

807
00:35:53,850 --> 00:35:52,210
what happened is mr. shroom thought that

808
00:35:56,340 --> 00:35:53,860
when he got to the end of the ravine

809
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:56,350
that there would be a way that he could

810
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,570
cross over and rejoin his buddy on the

811
00:36:02,670 --> 00:36:00,400
other side of the ravine but when he got

812
00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:02,680
to the end of it there was no way to do

813
00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:05,080
that and he found that he had to back up

814
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[Music]

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this is hilly Rose have I told you do

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listen to the podcast because he will

934
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with Jean and Chris in the para cast

935
00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:19,780
we're talking about new book aliens in

936
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:22,060
the forest the Cisco Grove UFO encounter

937
00:41:29,490 --> 00:41:26,530
from September 4th of 1964 just five

938
00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:29,500
days before my birthday I was 492 years

939
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,430
old in with Noah Taurus and Reuben UART

940
00:41:37,590 --> 00:41:35,920
a let's continue with his story who

941
00:41:40,410 --> 00:41:37,600
wants to pick it up yes

942
00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:40,420
continuing on then we were talking about

943
00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:43,060
mister Shrum and two of his buddies from

944
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:45,880
work from the Aerojet corporation we're

945
00:41:49,140 --> 00:41:47,650
out in the Tahoe National Forest when it

946
00:41:51,810 --> 00:41:49,150
started getting dark they became

947
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:51,820
separated from each other and as hunters

948
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:54,130
often do they find they try to find a

949
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:56,710
safe haven for the night because you

950
00:42:01,680 --> 00:41:58,810
know there are predators to take into

951
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:01,690
consideration there were bear sighted in

952
00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:03,550
the area as well as other predators and

953
00:42:07,860 --> 00:42:06,340
also mr. Schramm was and the hunters

954
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:07,870
were basically unfamiliar with the

955
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,150
terrain there so you've got ravines

956
00:42:14,250 --> 00:42:12,160
you've got you know it'd be real easy to

957
00:42:17,370 --> 00:42:14,260
hurt yourself twist an ankle fall down a

958
00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:17,380
ravine so he was looking for a thinking

959
00:42:22,850 --> 00:42:20,200
of a place that he could you know spend

960
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:22,860
the night in a safe place and then

961
00:42:27,810 --> 00:42:25,090
rejoined the other two men that he had

962
00:42:30,450 --> 00:42:27,820
gotten separated from at a later point

963
00:42:34,050 --> 00:42:30,460
so one of the things that he decided to

964
00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:34,060
do was there was no other obvious Haven

965
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,260
that he could spend the night in like a

966
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,240
cave or anything like that so he decided

967
00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:42,160
to go up in a in a tree and it was a

968
00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:45,700
pine tree he had on his person around

969
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:47,860
his waist he had a military-style belt

970
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:51,370
that he could unfasten and loop around

971
00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:54,370
one of the larger branches up up in the

972
00:42:59,460 --> 00:42:56,860
tree and stand there by secure his

973
00:43:01,980 --> 00:42:59,470
position up there for spending the night

974
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:01,990
and that way he would be safe from most

975
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:04,690
you know most predators and any dangers

976
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:07,330
and he could just wait it out for a few

977
00:43:11,970 --> 00:43:09,370
hours until it got light again and then

978
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:11,980
try to rejoin his companion so that's

979
00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:14,050
what he determined to do this is not

980
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:16,270
unusual for hunters to do this well he

981
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:18,730
was up in that tree when he saw a lot

982
00:43:24,029 --> 00:43:21,760
often the distance to the north north of

983
00:43:26,370 --> 00:43:24,039
his position and he thought at first

984
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,380
that it might be a helicopter that had

985
00:43:32,130 --> 00:43:29,200
been sent to rescue him by his two

986
00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:32,140
fellow hunters who obviously had

987
00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:34,150
discovered that he had gotten himself

988
00:43:38,460 --> 00:43:36,220
lost for the night and they might have

989
00:43:40,829 --> 00:43:38,470
gone to their local park ranger

990
00:43:43,170 --> 00:43:40,839
that's the forest ranger station and

991
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:43,180
maybe called for help and then a

992
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:44,950
helicopter was sent this was what was

993
00:43:49,950 --> 00:43:47,680
running through mr. shrubs mine as we

994
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:49,960
will hear in this first clip the

995
00:43:54,779 --> 00:43:51,609
appearance of the mothership it turned

996
00:43:57,839 --> 00:43:54,789
out to not be a rescue helicopter but

997
00:44:00,480 --> 00:43:57,849
something else altogether and then I saw

998
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:00,490
a light it looked like a lantern going

999
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:03,130
up and down the trail but then it came

1000
00:44:10,829 --> 00:44:06,250
over the over over the top of the tree

1001
00:44:14,099 --> 00:44:10,839
and I got kind of excited then because I

1002
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:14,109
thought it was a helicopter from the

1003
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:25,240
I stood between two of those fires that

1004
00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:31,490
I built on the rock and waved my arms

1005
00:44:41,380 --> 00:44:36,820
and yelled and screamed and and finally

1006
00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:41,390
that light started coming towards me so

1007
00:44:46,060 --> 00:44:43,190
I was really relieved in because I

1008
00:44:51,370 --> 00:44:46,070
thought it was a helicopter still until

1009
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:51,380
it got within oh maybe 60 feet or yards

1010
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,609
I'm not sure the distance at night but

1011
00:45:01,000 --> 00:44:57,920
it just stood hovered there with no

1012
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,010
sound so then I panic because I didn't

1013
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:03,920
knew it was no helicopter I thought it

1014
00:45:09,069 --> 00:45:07,280
was something from outer space but it

1015
00:45:14,020 --> 00:45:09,079
looked like all I can see is a little

1016
00:45:17,859 --> 00:45:14,030
about an 8-inch glow so I thought it was

1017
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:17,869
just a little tiny this you know it's

1018
00:45:26,530 --> 00:45:23,690
flying saucer and then I I kind of

1019
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:26,540
panicked and I walked through my bow up

1020
00:45:31,630 --> 00:45:29,359
in the tree again and hand walked out

1021
00:45:36,099 --> 00:45:31,640
there that limb and got up in the tree

1022
00:45:38,740 --> 00:45:36,109
and I had all camouflage clothing on so

1023
00:45:42,839 --> 00:45:38,750
I figured well they won't see me here

1024
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:42,849
you know but then this this light went a

1025
00:45:51,550 --> 00:45:45,910
half circle around me over the canyon

1026
00:45:56,319 --> 00:45:51,560
and I could see the whole the shadow of

1027
00:45:58,569 --> 00:45:56,329
the whole spacecraft and it was that was

1028
00:46:01,690 --> 00:45:58,579
just a light that was on the nose of it

1029
00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:01,700
so what he first thought was just a

1030
00:46:07,059 --> 00:46:04,670
small little bright light actually he

1031
00:46:10,030 --> 00:46:07,069
realized that that was just a small

1032
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,040
light that was on a much larger ship and

1033
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:13,520
he later described it to us and when he

1034
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:17,050
underwent regressive hypnotherapy later

1035
00:46:22,930 --> 00:46:20,510
it became even more focused that this

1036
00:46:24,730 --> 00:46:22,940
was an extremely large object it was

1037
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:24,740
approximately a hundred and fifty feet

1038
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:28,550
from Stern to bow to bow and so in other

1039
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:30,710
words it was the equivalent of a 14

1040
00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:33,410
story building and it was cigar

1041
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:38,020
shaped and had a very dark hull and I

1042
00:46:42,490 --> 00:46:40,490
believe Reuben had some additional

1043
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:42,500
comments on it Reuben did you wanna oh

1044
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:46,400
go ahead no when we get toward the to

1045
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:49,190
you the scoutship which will get right I

1046
00:46:56,410 --> 00:46:51,770
ask one question question okay because

1047
00:46:58,270 --> 00:46:56,420
just a quick alarm bell sort of rang and

1048
00:47:00,310 --> 00:46:58,280
this is the thing of course that some of

1049
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,320
the skeptics were raised and let's get

1050
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:02,720
it out of the way he recalled some

1051
00:47:07,330 --> 00:47:05,330
details through hypnosis or is

1052
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,340
everything basically physically

1053
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:10,160
remembered and then hypnosis maybe just

1054
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:12,710
helped him a little bit

1055
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:14,690
that's a very good point and and we need

1056
00:47:19,540 --> 00:47:17,450
to say that all of the details of the

1057
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,550
case that were presented tonight were

1058
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:21,440
mainly taken from Paul's Ernie's

1059
00:47:27,340 --> 00:47:24,290
interview with with mr. Shrum just a few

1060
00:47:29,470 --> 00:47:27,350
months after the incident happened there

1061
00:47:32,740 --> 00:47:29,480
was no hypnotherapy done until many

1062
00:47:35,290 --> 00:47:32,750
years later and when hypnosis was

1063
00:47:37,930 --> 00:47:35,300
finally used what it did was it just

1064
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:37,940
confirmed all the details that had been

1065
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:40,250
given in previous interviews and then

1066
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:42,650
just gave a couple of small additional

1067
00:47:48,070 --> 00:47:45,920
details okay one more question when were

1068
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:48,080
these recordings made the recordings

1069
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:49,690
that we're listening to tonight

1070
00:48:00,930 --> 00:47:54,880
Reuben made recently yes well actually

1071
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:00,940
just goes back in 2005 I had the

1072
00:48:09,070 --> 00:48:05,390
privilege to to stay with the shrooms

1073
00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:09,080
they invited me over to to their how

1074
00:48:16,780 --> 00:48:12,440
home as the guests and I spent several

1075
00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:16,790
days with them and what I had with me

1076
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:19,430
were a number of the materials and

1077
00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:21,950
documents that that are now in our book

1078
00:48:30,130 --> 00:48:25,640
that was put together by mr. Paul cerny

1079
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:30,140
again back in the early 67-65 through 67

1080
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:32,270
and some other other periods because he

1081
00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:34,310
kept working with mr. shroom on this

1082
00:48:40,450 --> 00:48:37,790
case we were real fortunate Jean and

1083
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,460
Chris to have not only two documents but

1084
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:43,040
we actually had the actual transcription

1085
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:46,730
of the interview and so

1086
00:48:54,970 --> 00:48:51,410
helped me quite a bit then when I met

1087
00:48:58,810 --> 00:48:54,980
with with Don Trump we were fortunate

1088
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:58,820
that his son also videotaped of the

1089
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:02,480
entire interview so I had it basically

1090
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:05,180
the same kind of questions that Paul use

1091
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:07,850
almost forty fifty years ago but I also

1092
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:10,760
had some different questions and what I

1093
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:12,770
was totally amazed as that this man

1094
00:49:18,910 --> 00:49:15,410
never really never changed his story he

1095
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:18,920
he was right on as it happened back

1096
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:20,030
fifty years ago

1097
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:22,490
so you'll see in the detail in his a

1098
00:49:28,270 --> 00:49:25,010
description and as we continue with with

1099
00:49:29,859 --> 00:49:28,280
the other audio clips okay so this is a

1100
00:49:31,810 --> 00:49:29,869
very important point to mention that

1101
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,820
it's not just somebody recalling 50

1102
00:49:36,910 --> 00:49:33,920
years later oh I saw a UFO it is

1103
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:36,920
somebody who's lived with this for a

1104
00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:41,270
great part of his adult life yes I'm

1105
00:49:47,859 --> 00:49:44,270
really intrigued by you know the the

1106
00:49:50,830 --> 00:49:47,869
aspect of the interviews bringing out

1107
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:50,840
information that doesn't seem to appear

1108
00:49:55,450 --> 00:49:53,630
to change over all these years many

1109
00:49:57,490 --> 00:49:55,460
cases that come down the pike in the

1110
00:50:00,730 --> 00:49:57,500
last couple you know a couple three

1111
00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:00,740
decades the initial story tends to have

1112
00:50:05,050 --> 00:50:03,230
legs and it grows and it more details

1113
00:50:06,849 --> 00:50:05,060
are added on becomes more sophisticated

1114
00:50:10,210 --> 00:50:06,859
more details are brought out I could

1115
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:10,220
name some names of particular cases but

1116
00:50:14,890 --> 00:50:12,410
I won't that's one of the things about

1117
00:50:16,450 --> 00:50:14,900
this case that makes it as a field

1118
00:50:18,490 --> 00:50:16,460
investigator very compelling because

1119
00:50:21,310 --> 00:50:18,500
it's rock-solid from beginning to end

1120
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:21,320
you don't have that that case getting

1121
00:50:27,730 --> 00:50:24,640
legs and going details which i think is

1122
00:50:30,490 --> 00:50:27,740
really does add to the the credibility

1123
00:50:34,030 --> 00:50:30,500
factor yes Chris just add real quickly

1124
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:34,040
to at the thing that really also amazed

1125
00:50:37,450 --> 00:50:36,890
me is and and you probably can relate to

1126
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:37,460
this

1127
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:40,850
both Noah as well and Jean when you work

1128
00:50:45,730 --> 00:50:43,400
with people you study their body

1129
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:45,740
language and the thing that really

1130
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:48,710
amazed me with what dawn was the fact

1131
00:50:54,010 --> 00:50:51,410
that as he was describing his situation

1132
00:50:57,340 --> 00:50:54,020
you could tell you could tell it was he

1133
00:51:00,040 --> 00:50:57,350
was still very bothered he would he was

1134
00:51:00,670 --> 00:51:00,050
going back into time and I could I was

1135
00:51:03,309 --> 00:51:00,680
seeing him

1136
00:51:06,670 --> 00:51:03,319
Jake and I could see the pauses that he

1137
00:51:07,809 --> 00:51:06,680
was going through and and I was I looked

1138
00:51:10,450 --> 00:51:07,819
and I was just looking through this

1139
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:10,460
man's eyes and and I just said what

1140
00:51:18,099 --> 00:51:14,440
whatever he encountered back in in 64

1141
00:51:20,170 --> 00:51:18,109
it obviously shook him up the book is

1142
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:20,180
called aliens in the forest it's the

1143
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:22,250
case of Donald trum we'll be hearing

1144
00:51:28,089 --> 00:51:24,950
more of the interviews with him from

1145
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:28,099
Ruben Norte and noe Taurus with gene and

1146
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:41,850
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1147
00:51:50,010 --> 00:51:45,070
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1148
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:50,020
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1149
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:51,490
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1160
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1161
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1162
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:22,120
wondered why banks stockbrokers

1163
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:23,650
investment advisors won't talk about

1164
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1165
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1166
00:52:29,820 --> 00:52:28,060
1986 yet the financial industry won't

1167
00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:29,830
recognize the value of gold for your

1168
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attire meant gold has outperformed paper

1169
00:52:35,580 --> 00:52:34,030
investments yet no word about IRAs if

1170
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:35,590
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1171
00:52:55,060 --> 00:52:49,030
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1172
00:53:03,099 --> 00:52:58,760
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1173
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:03,109
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1174
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,380
here's Jane Steinberg we're talking

1175
00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:13,200
about a new book discussing the amazing

1176
00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:15,630
encounter described by Donald trum back

1177
00:53:22,820 --> 00:53:19,500
in 1964 in the book aliens in the forest

1178
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:22,830
the Cisco grow of UFO encounter by noe

1179
00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:25,260
Torres and Ruben you arte with gene and

1180
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:27,750
Chris and the power cast Ruben noe who

1181
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:29,400
wants to pick up the description as we

1182
00:53:34,339 --> 00:53:31,470
progress into the description of this

1183
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:34,349
case ok I'll pick it up here thank you

1184
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:37,380
we were in the forest with Don shrim he

1185
00:53:41,570 --> 00:53:39,330
saw this light coming toward him thought

1186
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:41,580
it was a helicopter at first but then

1187
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:44,730
when he heard absolutely no sound at all

1188
00:53:49,099 --> 00:53:47,400
and then as it got really close to him

1189
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:49,109
and he realized that it was not a

1190
00:53:54,530 --> 00:53:51,240
helicopter scrambled back up into the

1191
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:54,540
tree and as it came around close and

1192
00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:57,720
hovered over a ravine close to where the

1193
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:00,300
where this pine tree that mr. Schramm

1194
00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:03,210
had climbed up into was then he saw that

1195
00:54:08,660 --> 00:54:05,400
it was as immense a hundred and fifty

1196
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:08,670
foot object cigar-shaped object with a

1197
00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:11,400
very dark hull and right at the center

1198
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:14,099
of the hull there appeared suddenly as

1199
00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:17,160
if they winked into existence three

1200
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:21,480
lighted rectangular panels and out of

1201
00:54:26,839 --> 00:54:24,270
the center of those three panels side by

1202
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:26,849
side you know vertically spaced equally

1203
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:28,950
spaced on this on the side of the ship

1204
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:32,099
out of the middle one of those lighted

1205
00:54:39,140 --> 00:54:37,020
panels suddenly a smaller ship described

1206
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,150
as a dark object in this next clip we're

1207
00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:41,280
gonna hear in a minute came out of that

1208
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:44,339
center panel dropped down a ways down

1209
00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:47,930
into the ravine and then zoomed

1210
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:50,790
horizontally over closer to where mr.

1211
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:54,720
Schramm was where it landed so we're

1212
00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:57,300
going to hear that in this next clip

1213
00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:00,780
which is called the smaller ship appears

1214
00:55:09,769 --> 00:55:03,940
and then I saw three panels

1215
00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:09,779
of light like windows or whatever and

1216
00:55:17,309 --> 00:55:14,200
they I saw a flash coming from the

1217
00:55:22,829 --> 00:55:17,319
bottom of the sinner one and just saw a

1218
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:22,839
dark object in the canyon and then I

1219
00:55:32,130 --> 00:55:28,180
lost track of it and then the next thing

1220
00:55:35,549 --> 00:55:32,140
I saw was saw a little blinking light up

1221
00:55:38,999 --> 00:55:35,559
on the top of originally where the the

1222
00:55:45,150 --> 00:55:39,009
first one came from this object that you

1223
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:45,160
first saw that is the center panel well

1224
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:47,410
at that time all I saw the flash and saw

1225
00:55:58,079 --> 00:55:53,529
a dark object go down I couldn't really

1226
00:56:01,249 --> 00:55:58,089
say it went so fast but then I saw when

1227
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:01,259
it landed up on that up on the bridge

1228
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:08,799
that it I could see like a half I could

1229
00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:11,440
only see part of the top but it had a

1230
00:56:19,499 --> 00:56:16,990
little light on it and looked like a the

1231
00:56:29,180 --> 00:56:19,509
top of a flying saucer that I'd seen in

1232
00:56:32,819 --> 00:56:29,190
pictures yes yeah like a dome and then I

1233
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:32,829
so I kept my eyes on that and the one

1234
00:56:37,230 --> 00:56:35,650
thing I want to ask here is obviously he

1235
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:37,240
was familiar with some of the literature

1236
00:56:42,299 --> 00:56:39,609
here about flying saucers and such

1237
00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:42,309
before he had his encounter mr. Schramm

1238
00:56:47,579 --> 00:56:45,220
told us that he had very little interest

1239
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,589
in UFOs he had only read a few

1240
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:49,839
occasional articles when they appeared

1241
00:56:57,690 --> 00:56:52,500
in the paper or in magazines that they

1242
00:57:00,089 --> 00:56:57,700
ran across but he basically he didn't

1243
00:57:01,710 --> 00:57:00,099
consider himself to be a skeptic and he

1244
00:57:04,170 --> 00:57:01,720
didn't consider himself to be a believer

1245
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:04,180
he just was not interested in it wasn't

1246
00:57:09,150 --> 00:57:07,119
relevant to his life and so he didn't

1247
00:57:13,799 --> 00:57:09,160
really ever pay much attention to it

1248
00:57:15,539 --> 00:57:13,809
until as many eyewitnesses tell us you

1249
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,549
know until it they come face-to-face

1250
00:57:20,759 --> 00:57:18,160
with it themselves an ex

1251
00:57:23,370 --> 00:57:20,769
right before their eyes it's very hard

1252
00:57:26,489 --> 00:57:23,380
for them to believe one way or another

1253
00:57:30,509 --> 00:57:26,499
the other thing I just wanted to add is

1254
00:57:34,529 --> 00:57:30,519
that over the last 50 years that this

1255
00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:34,539
case had involved the shrooms they

1256
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:38,680
wanted answers and they collected tons

1257
00:57:45,089 --> 00:57:41,650
of material articles from different

1258
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:45,099
researchers so when I met with him I was

1259
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:47,650
amazed with the amount of materials that

1260
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:50,170
they had collected over the years but

1261
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:52,569
then then it just made me realize that

1262
00:57:57,029 --> 00:57:54,910
they really wanted to get to the bottom

1263
00:57:59,819 --> 00:57:57,039
line of what what happened to him and

1264
00:58:02,609 --> 00:57:59,829
and who were these beings or who were

1265
00:58:05,009 --> 00:58:02,619
these people that that came from another

1266
00:58:07,710 --> 00:58:05,019
world and why were they there and why

1267
00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:07,720
did they why did they affect what why

1268
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:11,950
did they pick on and on so so they had

1269
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:13,240
that has a lot to do with it they were

1270
00:58:18,779 --> 00:58:15,369
slowly trying to do their own research

1271
00:58:20,940 --> 00:58:18,789
and then we combined our documents I

1272
00:58:23,759 --> 00:58:20,950
shared with him with what I had from mr.

1273
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:23,769
Paul cerny and and at the same time they

1274
00:58:28,739 --> 00:58:26,079
sure went and provided both noe and I

1275
00:58:31,380 --> 00:58:28,749
but the documents that they had so that

1276
00:58:34,979 --> 00:58:31,390
it was that has a lot to do with perhaps

1277
00:58:37,529 --> 00:58:34,989
why he's more familiar with the traces

1278
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:37,539
now the one thing I'm going to pose here

1279
00:58:42,539 --> 00:58:39,609
another one of those questions that is

1280
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:42,549
at no time did he ever think that maybe

1281
00:58:46,620 --> 00:58:44,529
he was having some kind of hallucination

1282
00:58:50,339 --> 00:58:46,630
no never

1283
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:50,349
he I mean he had the hard physical

1284
00:58:55,410 --> 00:58:53,410
evidence that and plus he was conscious

1285
00:58:57,239 --> 00:58:55,420
through hard physical evidence here we

1286
00:58:59,579 --> 00:58:57,249
have to get into that yes yeah well

1287
00:59:02,729 --> 00:58:59,589
you'll hear about we can get into it

1288
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:02,739
with the audios but the hard physical

1289
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:05,170
evidence is basically what he did to

1290
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:08,890
protect himself and the day after when

1291
00:59:13,859 --> 00:59:11,650
he woke up he was looking for his art of

1292
00:59:17,759 --> 00:59:13,869
that the items that he actually had

1293
00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:17,769
thrown at the Z at these ETS so I'm kind

1294
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:20,200
of jumping ahead but we'll catch up with

1295
00:59:24,569 --> 00:59:22,930
the UH with the with the audios alright

1296
00:59:25,499 --> 00:59:24,579
let's just take it to the next stage

1297
00:59:27,749 --> 00:59:25,509
what happened next

1298
00:59:30,060 --> 00:59:27,759
so this smaller ship came out of the

1299
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:30,070
larger ship right and then it

1300
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:34,450
it apparently landed nearby and mr.

1301
00:59:38,910 --> 00:59:36,250
Schramm was up in the tree hoping that

1302
00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:38,920
all of this action would kind of pass by

1303
00:59:44,850 --> 00:59:42,460
him and he would be an observer only but

1304
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:44,860
unfortunately that wasn't what actually

1305
00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:46,930
happened and within a few moments after

1306
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,750
the smaller ship landed nearby he heard

1307
00:59:55,140 --> 00:59:52,000
a rustling in the end of surrounding

1308
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,150
brush and this was the arrival of the

1309
01:00:01,830 --> 00:59:57,520
humanoids as we're going to hear in this

1310
01:00:04,430 --> 01:00:01,840
in this next audio clip and and I heard

1311
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:04,440
some thrashing through the brush and

1312
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:08,730
probably 5-10 minutes these two

1313
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:12,250
humanoids come out of the brush and they

1314
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:17,010
kind of broke some of the brush off and

1315
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,310
and was looking at it then they came

1316
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:23,200
straight underneath the tree and looked

1317
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:26,610
up at me and I knew right then I was

1318
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:35,650
fingered yeah they found me yeah they

1319
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:40,810
were look like four or five feet of

1320
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:43,930
course I'm looking down at them so they

1321
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:46,330
they'd be shorter than they probably are

1322
01:00:56,070 --> 01:00:51,930
and they had a silvery like a one-piece

1323
01:01:00,530 --> 01:00:56,080
suit on and it seemed like it had the

1324
01:01:04,830 --> 01:01:00,540
joints puffy joints you know on

1325
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:04,840
shoulders and elbows and and the legs I

1326
01:01:12,340 --> 01:01:10,990
didn't see that clear humanoids see

1327
01:01:15,490 --> 01:01:12,350
their faces

1328
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:15,500
no it was just a kind of a dark shadow I

1329
01:01:23,620 --> 01:01:19,610
could see that the two like eyes that

1330
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:23,630
were like looked like welding goggles to

1331
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:26,240
me they're the same as welding goggles

1332
01:01:31,540 --> 01:01:28,730
and then the rest of the face was kind

1333
01:01:35,860 --> 01:01:31,550
of a blur I couldn't see looking down at

1334
01:01:41,950 --> 01:01:35,870
him you're able to see then very was a

1335
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:41,960
large about two inches in diameter it

1336
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:43,910
reminds me just like I said like a

1337
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:46,610
welding goggles all right so he sees

1338
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:48,890
them they look real they look physical

1339
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:51,070
what can you say very interesting

1340
01:01:56,380 --> 01:01:53,330
observations mr. Schramm made about

1341
01:02:01,020 --> 01:01:56,390
these beings he estimated that there

1342
01:02:05,650 --> 01:02:01,030
there could have been perhaps as many as

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six of these humanoid beings see one of

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that you know a lot of UFO events happen

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within a fairly short time frame of

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five days span and that was drag itself

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hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

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parrot cast and it's as good as it gets

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believe me we're talking with noe Taurus

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and Ruben your Tay you're with Gina and

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Chris in the para cast and we've been

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hearing the story involving Donald trum

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01:07:20,380 --> 01:07:16,159
in September of 1964 describing the book

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01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:20,390
aliens in the forest he faces from the

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tree six humanoid beings right yes only

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01:07:29,769 --> 01:07:27,169
to appear at first but later as the

1465
01:07:33,130 --> 01:07:29,779
encounter went on over a span of about

1466
01:07:36,189 --> 01:07:33,140
twelve hours he saw he thinks as many as

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01:07:39,339 --> 01:07:36,199
six of them you know around the area of

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01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:39,349
the the base of the tree so he was

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01:07:42,939 --> 01:07:41,089
hoping at this point you know that he

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01:07:45,609 --> 01:07:42,949
could he might be able to go by

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unnoticed but when the initial two

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humanoids that broke out of the brush

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and came right up to the base of the

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tree when they looked up at him and then

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at that point he knew that he had been

1476
01:08:02,009 --> 01:07:58,849
seen some interesting observations he

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01:08:05,380 --> 01:08:02,019
made about them is that in addition to

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you know finding him and locating his

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his presence there and looking up at him

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01:08:12,699 --> 01:08:10,309
but before they did that they were going

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01:08:14,829 --> 01:08:12,709
around apparently looking at all the

1482
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:14,839
surrounding vegetation breaking little

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01:08:20,890 --> 01:08:19,369
bits off he got the impression that they

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01:08:24,910 --> 01:08:20,900
were conducting some sort of

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surveillance or research in in that area

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01:08:30,249 --> 01:08:28,190
it almost had a bit like et where

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they're taking soil samples and plants

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01:08:34,329 --> 01:08:31,250
and everything like that

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01:08:36,430 --> 01:08:34,339
right except it turned out that they

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weren't the kind that just wanted to

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phone home they apparently wanted to

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take a few things with them when they

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went home I have a question here no at

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01:08:49,649 --> 01:08:46,069
this point now you had mentioned that he

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had built a fire now to your

1496
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recollection of the account was that

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fire still glowing was there any

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evidence of heat that may have been

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present there near the tree in other

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01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:03,839
words how did they vector in on

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01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:06,210
that spot I'm I'm just curious um I was

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01:09:10,220 --> 01:09:08,310
wondering yeah if the fire was still

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01:09:12,499 --> 01:09:10,230
still going yeah very interesting

1504
01:09:15,129 --> 01:09:12,509
question and actually the fires that he

1505
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,139
said actually play into the overall

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happenings on this evening he had set

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three small signal fires atop some flat

1508
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boulders that were around the base of

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the tree and he did that in order to

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signal the the object that he thought

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01:09:33,589 --> 01:09:31,199
was a rescue helicopter coming for him

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01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:33,599
so he set these three small fires he

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always carried when he went hunting he

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01:09:39,289 --> 01:09:37,739
carried lots of matches and he gathered

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01:09:41,649 --> 01:09:39,299
together brush and set these three small

1516
01:09:44,629 --> 01:09:41,659
fires by the time the humanoids arrived

1517
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:44,639
the three small signal fires had kind of

1518
01:09:48,019 --> 01:09:46,319
died down to where there was just a

1519
01:09:51,769 --> 01:09:48,029
little bit of embers you know a little

1520
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:51,779
glowing and a little bit of smoke but it

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01:09:55,629 --> 01:09:54,330
was it was more than enough to to vector

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01:09:58,580 --> 01:09:55,639
them into his location

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01:10:00,740 --> 01:09:58,590
apparently so because when when the

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object started moving in this direction

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01:10:05,839 --> 01:10:03,840
it came very quickly it hovered nearby

1526
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:05,849
and then of course the small ship came

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01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:08,159
out and then the the beings appeared a

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01:10:12,580 --> 01:10:09,449
few moments later so there that

1529
01:10:16,339 --> 01:10:12,590
apparently gave up his position to them

1530
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:16,349
but he at this point it didn't appear

1531
01:10:21,620 --> 01:10:19,560
that the humanoid beings were doing any

1532
01:10:23,209 --> 01:10:21,630
taking any sort of aggressive action

1533
01:10:25,939 --> 01:10:23,219
toward him they had acknowledged his

1534
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:25,949
presence in the tree but he seemed to be

1535
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:28,320
okay and he thought that maybe he would

1536
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:32,130
be okay but unfortunately there was an

1537
01:10:38,839 --> 01:10:35,520
entirely different type of being that

1538
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:38,849
appeared on the scene next which was a

1539
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:42,449
lot more menacing and ended up being the

1540
01:10:48,169 --> 01:10:45,690
cause of a lot of grief for him during

1541
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:48,179
this 12 hour encounter and we're gonna

1542
01:10:59,680 --> 01:10:51,330
listen to that in the clip called the

1543
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:04,660
two flashing red orange light eyes

1544
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:07,140
coming just picking his way down the

1545
01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:10,170
ridge just between the rocks and and

1546
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:13,080
around them and everything and come down

1547
01:11:27,210 --> 01:11:21,690
and was on this big boulder this big

1548
01:11:39,780 --> 01:11:31,920
and then he kind of looked up at me and

1549
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:39,790
he and he moved his hand in this to the

1550
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:44,400
fire cinders and kind of scattered him

1551
01:11:55,380 --> 01:11:49,210
the eyes of this other creature like the

1552
01:11:59,880 --> 01:11:55,390
robot but it had kind of like fire it's

1553
01:12:03,780 --> 01:11:59,890
kind of a orange reddish orange and her

1554
01:12:07,230 --> 01:12:03,790
yellowish orange and they've kind of

1555
01:12:09,660 --> 01:12:07,240
flickered like fire and they're about

1556
01:12:13,050 --> 01:12:09,670
the same diameter is about two inches in

1557
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:13,060
diameter as the humanoids of course when

1558
01:12:16,110 --> 01:12:13,810
you say robot

1559
01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:16,120
I think of davier Stood Still and I say

1560
01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:19,420
okay Gort showed up one of the

1561
01:12:24,150 --> 01:12:21,580
interesting things in his description as

1562
01:12:27,540 --> 01:12:24,160
he's not entirely certain that it was a

1563
01:12:30,030 --> 01:12:27,550
mechanical being at all sure he was just

1564
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:30,040
giving us giving his impression his

1565
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:33,130
overall impression of the manner in

1566
01:12:38,610 --> 01:12:35,440
which the creature walked it could have

1567
01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:38,620
been a bulky suit it could have been the

1568
01:12:42,930 --> 01:12:40,900
same type of being as the humanoids that

1569
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:42,940
certainly it was roughly the same height

1570
01:12:49,140 --> 01:12:45,910
and the same general appearance the eyes

1571
01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:49,150
were very similar so we don't know

1572
01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:53,230
exactly you know what it was but a lot

1573
01:12:59,670 --> 01:12:55,480
of and Ruben can attest to this there

1574
01:13:04,110 --> 01:12:59,680
are many many cases in UFO investigation

1575
01:13:06,750 --> 01:13:04,120
history where the beings seen a UFO

1576
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:06,760
encounter sights are described as

1577
01:13:13,020 --> 01:13:09,520
mechanical appearing mechanical or

1578
01:13:15,810 --> 01:13:13,030
appearing robotic isn't that right Ruben

1579
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:15,820
yes the thing that we we were really

1580
01:13:20,700 --> 01:13:18,640
again this was another part of the whole

1581
01:13:23,940 --> 01:13:20,710
encounter was he was dealing with

1582
01:13:25,890 --> 01:13:23,950
another type of being and when we got

1583
01:13:29,130 --> 01:13:25,900
into the research we found other UFO

1584
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:29,140
cases that refer to robot like creatures

1585
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:33,310
so we added that into the book so as no

1586
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:35,290
he had mentioned that it was this

1587
01:13:39,849 --> 01:13:37,570
particular beam that really made made it

1588
01:13:43,299 --> 01:13:39,859
very very rough for

1589
01:13:46,029 --> 01:13:43,309
for mr. Don strum I would think after

1590
01:13:49,770 --> 01:13:46,039
this you know what's gonna happen next

1591
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:52,899
it just keeps on coming there so with a

1592
01:13:57,969 --> 01:13:55,010
little let no give no he could continue

1593
01:14:01,359 --> 01:13:57,979
with the next phase of it

1594
01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:01,369
yeah the amazing thing was that you know

1595
01:14:06,369 --> 01:14:04,070
mr. Schramm had had faced up to the

1596
01:14:08,679 --> 01:14:06,379
humanoids and they didn't seem to be

1597
01:14:10,569 --> 01:14:08,689
bothering him too much they seemed to be

1598
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:10,579
mainly looking around but then this

1599
01:14:16,929 --> 01:14:14,239
creature and the strange creature that

1600
01:14:19,810 --> 01:14:16,939
to him gave him the impression that it

1601
01:14:21,879 --> 01:14:19,820
was more menacing or threatening to him

1602
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:21,889
came right up to the base of the tree

1603
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:25,760
and you know the signifiers that we

1604
01:14:29,849 --> 01:14:27,409
mentioned previously that he had set

1605
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:29,859
atop of the boulders this this

1606
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mechanical looking creature kind of

1607
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swept those off with one of its hands

1608
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and then it came right up under him

1609
01:14:45,310 --> 01:14:42,649
within six or seven feet of where he was

1610
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:45,320
up in the perch in his perch up in the

1611
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tree the pine tree and all of a sudden

1612
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it did something extremely unusual yeah

1613
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I have to switch to our next segment in

1614
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the moment so I kind of know what's

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coming as I can see the title of the

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clip so I'm gonna withhold her from you

1617
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listeners you're going to say you play

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this gene doing he's crazy he's not

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out at iTunes this is something I'll

1741
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tell you if I saw something like this if

1742
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:33,740
I was in the forest and I was being

1743
01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:38,730
accosted or being terrorized by apparent

1744
01:20:44,930 --> 01:20:43,140
alien beings as Donald trum did I'd be

1745
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,940
scared out of my wits I couldn't tell

1746
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you what I'd be doing but I want to get

1747
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out of there as quickly as possible find

1748
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some way to hide your buildings in a

1749
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single bound or something we have no Lee

1750
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Taurus Ruben you're working with us the

1751
01:21:01,000 --> 01:20:58,530
book is aliens in the forest and you

1752
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:01,010
guys were about to introduce another

1753
01:21:05,900 --> 01:21:03,570
audio segment should we let that play

1754
01:21:11,420 --> 01:21:05,910
because that says so much yes let's hear

1755
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:11,430
that then he come down up on the rock he

1756
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:25,290
then he he touched his mouth and

1757
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:28,290
the kind of a steam vapor come out of

1758
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:31,449
his mouth and it lit up its face so I

1759
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:42,709
I blacked out when that steam hit me or

1760
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:47,040
I guess it was it was kind of kind of

1761
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:51,600
took the air from me not gasp for air

1762
01:21:57,979 --> 01:21:55,199
and then blackout and it fell over my

1763
01:22:03,650 --> 01:21:57,989
bow that's the only thing that kept me

1764
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:03,660
in the tree and then so I figured they

1765
01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:04,890
were out to get me Ben

1766
01:22:15,229 --> 01:22:10,590
oh man oh man are there other cases guys

1767
01:22:18,260 --> 01:22:15,239
where the creature the Roebuck whatever

1768
01:22:21,290 --> 01:22:18,270
it is would present this kind of gaseous

1769
01:22:23,380 --> 01:22:21,300
effect actually there have been a few

1770
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:23,390
cases that Reuben and I looked at and

1771
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:25,770
interestingly enough we've talked about

1772
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:28,410
the Travis Walton abduction which

1773
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:31,489
happened in the 70s and Travis Walton

1774
01:22:38,750 --> 01:22:35,760
reported that at one point he had been

1775
01:22:41,900 --> 01:22:38,760
taken aboard what apparently was was a

1776
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:41,910
UFO and he had been held there for five

1777
01:22:46,340 --> 01:22:43,890
days and near the end of his encounter

1778
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:46,350
and interestingly enough there were also

1779
01:22:50,810 --> 01:22:48,480
two distinctly different types of beings

1780
01:22:53,630 --> 01:22:50,820
that he saw aboard that ship there was a

1781
01:22:57,229 --> 01:22:53,640
humanoid form and then there was a

1782
01:22:59,780 --> 01:22:57,239
smaller something close to what we might

1783
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,790
consider to be a gray but didn't quite

1784
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:01,920
look the same in terms of its facial

1785
01:23:06,260 --> 01:23:04,170
features but anyway near the end of the

1786
01:23:09,890 --> 01:23:06,270
encounter Travis Walton said that one of

1787
01:23:12,140 --> 01:23:09,900
the humanoids moved something some kind

1788
01:23:14,750 --> 01:23:12,150
of strange object up to his face and

1789
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:14,760
then this vapor came out causing him to

1790
01:23:19,340 --> 01:23:17,310
black out and then he found the next

1791
01:23:21,919 --> 01:23:19,350
thing he knew he was lying on the street

1792
01:23:25,459 --> 01:23:21,929
back on earth you know the encounter was

1793
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,469
over so and Reuben do you have in any

1794
01:23:30,290 --> 01:23:27,600
additional cases that that you ran

1795
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:30,300
across regarding vapor that's used I

1796
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:32,880
believe there was that other case there

1797
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:36,719
were several that we were looking at in

1798
01:23:42,860 --> 01:23:39,330
Argentina where a woman had confronted a

1799
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:42,870
robot like creature and it was also

1800
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:46,890
where she also had felt the the effects

1801
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:49,050
of it almost knocking her out we

1802
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:50,690
actually have a

1803
01:23:54,580 --> 01:23:52,489
a number of other other cases that we

1804
01:23:57,010 --> 01:23:54,590
have described in dit but I mean isn't

1805
01:24:00,640 --> 01:23:57,020
that it's just amazing how we come

1806
01:24:02,740 --> 01:24:00,650
across a case that has everything I mean

1807
01:24:04,780 --> 01:24:02,750
the the humanoids and then the robot

1808
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:04,790
creature and then without jumping ahead

1809
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,239
it there'll be more encounters with with

1810
01:24:14,380 --> 01:24:11,600
this rope does robot type being well the

1811
01:24:16,810 --> 01:24:14,390
thing I noticed just in the part that

1812
01:24:18,340 --> 01:24:16,820
you've told us so far is that it's not a

1813
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:18,350
one-off so far

1814
01:24:23,410 --> 01:24:21,170
in other words parts of this case can be

1815
01:24:25,930 --> 01:24:23,420
found in other cases as you separate the

1816
01:24:28,209 --> 01:24:25,940
various elements go all the way back

1817
01:24:30,430 --> 01:24:28,219
into the late 1800s there were a couple

1818
01:24:33,340 --> 01:24:30,440
of spring-heeled jack sightings that

1819
01:24:36,130 --> 01:24:33,350
featured spring-heeled Jack ejecting

1820
01:24:40,180 --> 01:24:36,140
some sort of vapor in two very startled

1821
01:24:44,830 --> 01:24:40,190
witnesses direction okay so he's gassed

1822
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:44,840
by this robotic type creature right we

1823
01:24:49,180 --> 01:24:46,850
are thinking that I mean it's it's

1824
01:24:51,970 --> 01:24:49,190
fairly evident and he and mr. shroom

1825
01:24:54,700 --> 01:24:51,980
describes it this way himself that this

1826
01:24:57,670 --> 01:24:54,710
must have been a an asphyxiant an

1827
01:24:59,740 --> 01:24:57,680
asphyxiant gas the most common as

1828
01:25:03,040 --> 01:24:59,750
fictions that we know of today are

1829
01:25:05,860 --> 01:25:03,050
nitrogen argon and helium so what these

1830
01:25:07,450 --> 01:25:05,870
do is they're not toxic in and of

1831
01:25:10,510 --> 01:25:07,460
themselves in other words they don't

1832
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:10,520
necessarily damage human tissue however

1833
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:13,520
they still can be damaging or lethal

1834
01:25:18,189 --> 01:25:15,489
because of the fact that they

1835
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:18,199
essentially eliminate all the oxygen

1836
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:20,449
from the surrounding air and could

1837
01:25:26,380 --> 01:25:23,330
actually lead to suffocation however in

1838
01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:26,390
the case in the small amounts that were

1839
01:25:32,700 --> 01:25:29,960
being dispelled by this mechanical like

1840
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:32,710
being up at mister schrum and the tree

1841
01:25:38,170 --> 01:25:35,510
because of the amount was apparently

1842
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:38,180
quite small and affected just a limited

1843
01:25:43,450 --> 01:25:40,610
area he would only blackout for a very

1844
01:25:46,270 --> 01:25:43,460
short period of time possibly a couple

1845
01:25:49,450 --> 01:25:46,280
of moments minutes he wasn't exactly

1846
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:49,460
sure of how long he was out evidently

1847
01:25:54,220 --> 01:25:51,770
been to try to subdue him so they could

1848
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,230
possibly take him with them well yes as

1849
01:25:57,850 --> 01:25:57,199
we're as we're going to hear hear about

1850
01:26:00,880 --> 01:25:57,860
shortly

1851
01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:00,890
what happened is that the robot creature

1852
01:26:05,310 --> 01:26:02,200
would

1853
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:05,320
this gas and caused him to blackout and

1854
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:07,210
then the humanoids would attempt to

1855
01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:09,730
climb the tree but mr. shroom would

1856
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:13,510
always awaken from a stupor while the

1857
01:26:16,770 --> 01:26:15,010
humanoids were in the process of

1858
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:16,780
attempting to climb the tree and reach

1859
01:26:21,810 --> 01:26:19,450
him and then he would do something to a

1860
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:21,820
hamper their efforts he would shake the

1861
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,070
tree he would kick at them you know he

1862
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:26,320
would he would be okay but this was a

1863
01:26:32,700 --> 01:26:28,960
repetitive process that occurred for

1864
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:32,710
hours where he would be constantly under

1865
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:36,400
attack from this robot issuing vapor at

1866
01:26:42,150 --> 01:26:38,650
him and then the humanoids attempting to

1867
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:42,160
climb so early on in this encounter you

1868
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know right after the first gassing in

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fact he decided that if he was going to

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survive this night and see his young

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bride and their one-year-old daughter

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ever again he was gonna have to take the

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offensive and start doing something to

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help his situation and so as we're gonna

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hear in the next clip the only weapon

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offensive weapon that he had with him

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were was his bow and three arrows from

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his earlier hunting experience so he

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decided to use the bow and arrows

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against this robot creatures will hear

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in the end this next clip called

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shooting his arrows so I I had a sixty

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pound bow which is a very high velocity

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since seeing how the robot is the only

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thing that was causing me harm I shot

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the chest area and it has the velocity

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of a rifle at that that distance because

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I'm only seven eight feet from him and

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it when I hit the chest this sparks

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would fly like electrical like an arc

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welder kind of

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and then that that robot backed up and

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almost knocked him down he kind of fell

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back against the rock and the two at the

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bottom took off and headed for the brush

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and stood out there about thirty feet

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and then I shot two more arrows and

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there's about the same time sequence

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that these two humanoids would every

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time I'd shoot they'd go back up into

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the brush just out just almost out of

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sight from me curious noticing in this

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particular description how low-tech

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these aliens appeared to be I mean other

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than the robot emitting some kind of gas

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to subdue him you know they didn't have

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a ray gun they didn't point their

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phasers at him and stun him you kind of

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wonder about this it's very strange I

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think we want to discuss that more and

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as we progress here we don't have you

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know unless we move it up a little

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faster we may not be able to hear all

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the audio clips so let's see if we could

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move up the description we have noe

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Taurus and Ruben Norte we're talking

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about the case of Donald trum and his

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encounter with some aliens who wanted to

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take him on a trip and he didn't want to

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go the book is aliens in the forest

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[Music]

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01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:56,290
this is a 30/70 author you up on the

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01:34:01,680 --> 01:33:57,850
streets and you're listening to the

2026
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:01,690
podcast we were talking about the case

2027
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:03,570
of Donald trum and you've been hearing

2028
01:34:08,910 --> 01:34:06,730
segments of their interview that Ruben

2029
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:08,920
Norte and noe Torres did for their book

2030
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:11,410
aliens in the forest guys wanted to ask

2031
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:14,410
the question that I raised earlier did

2032
01:34:19,770 --> 01:34:16,810
it occur to you that strange how

2033
01:34:21,570 --> 01:34:19,780
low-tech these aliens were and what they

2034
01:34:24,300 --> 01:34:21,580
were doing yes

2035
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:24,310
knowing I had we've been discussing that

2036
01:34:30,690 --> 01:34:28,210
and as far as unlike other cases the

2037
01:34:33,210 --> 01:34:30,700
fact that these guys really if they

2038
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:33,220
really wanted to harm him I mean they

2039
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:35,440
could have done something else but they

2040
01:34:42,780 --> 01:34:40,000
didn't and but again Don put up a hell

2041
01:34:44,910 --> 01:34:42,790
of a fight where he shot his arrows and

2042
01:34:47,610 --> 01:34:44,920
if we depending on the time do we have a

2043
01:34:50,820 --> 01:34:47,620
description in the audio where he used

2044
01:34:53,190 --> 01:34:50,830
where basically Don used low tech

2045
01:34:56,580 --> 01:34:53,200
weaponry to against these these these

2046
01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:56,590
aliens I use fire you use anything that

2047
01:35:00,750 --> 01:34:58,210
he could throw at them he broke off

2048
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:00,760
branches and he used his bow and arrows

2049
01:35:04,530 --> 01:35:02,890
now it would have been probably we don't

2050
01:35:07,460 --> 01:35:04,540
know what the outcome would have been

2051
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:07,470
had he actually had a rifle or a gun

2052
01:35:12,750 --> 01:35:09,760
this is something that we've been

2053
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:12,760
discussing they could have he was lucky

2054
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:16,810
that night I guess these more advanced

2055
01:35:22,980 --> 01:35:20,080
types of weaponry do not operate in the

2056
01:35:25,890 --> 01:35:22,990
presence of these UFOs so it's you know

2057
01:35:28,890 --> 01:35:25,900
oftentimes experts tell us that if our

2058
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:28,900
planet is ever invaded by a superior

2059
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:32,410
alien race low tech would actually be

2060
01:35:37,670 --> 01:35:34,480
the way that would offer us the most

2061
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:37,680
options to overcome in the long run so

2062
01:35:43,980 --> 01:35:40,480
mister feel like the movie David stood

2063
01:35:46,620 --> 01:35:43,990
still where black to and Gort disabled

2064
01:35:49,140 --> 01:35:46,630
our electric power system exactly but

2065
01:35:50,750 --> 01:35:49,150
but mr. Schramm had no such electrical

2066
01:35:53,070 --> 01:35:50,760
systems at all he had one of the

2067
01:35:55,470 --> 01:35:53,080
mankind's most primitive weapons which

2068
01:35:58,320 --> 01:35:55,480
was a bow and arrow and then he resorted

2069
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:58,330
to throwing fire down at them if we have

2070
01:36:02,190 --> 01:36:00,880
time to listen to this next clip sure

2071
01:36:05,340 --> 01:36:02,200
he's doing it right now with his

2072
01:36:08,460 --> 01:36:05,350
throwing fire and coins

2073
01:36:14,270 --> 01:36:08,470
at ET and their robot that's a good

2074
01:36:21,180 --> 01:36:14,280
twist then I ran out of arrows

2075
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:21,190
so I only had three left and I started I

2076
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:23,770
thought well I had that's when Paul made

2077
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:27,850
Herod is just I mean the cap I had on

2078
01:36:39,110 --> 01:36:32,800
was just soaked with oil yeah from my

2079
01:36:42,810 --> 01:36:39,120
hair yeah yeah yeah pomade and they I

2080
01:36:47,370 --> 01:36:42,820
always carried all kinds of books and

2081
01:36:49,860 --> 01:36:47,380
matches with me when I hunted and so I

2082
01:36:51,870 --> 01:36:49,870
lift that cap and it just blazed up and

2083
01:36:57,960 --> 01:36:51,880
I dropped it down at the base of the

2084
01:37:04,650 --> 01:36:57,970
tree and just in that instant they moved

2085
01:37:08,670 --> 01:37:04,660
back about 1215 feet and I glanced over

2086
01:37:12,030 --> 01:37:08,680
at the ship that was over the canyon

2087
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:12,040
kind of almost leveled with me and it

2088
01:37:14,370 --> 01:37:13,690
was almost out of sight it was just like

2089
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:14,380
a star

2090
01:37:21,060 --> 01:37:18,010
it moved that fast just in that second

2091
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:21,070
so then I got the idea that they're

2092
01:37:29,310 --> 01:37:25,210
scared of fire so I everything but my

2093
01:37:32,510 --> 01:37:29,320
t-shirt and my jeans and come to find

2094
01:37:38,510 --> 01:37:32,520
out later on it that it was 32 degrees

2095
01:37:42,060 --> 01:37:38,520
out and I was shaking and kind of

2096
01:37:45,690 --> 01:37:42,070
exposed for the weather and I at one

2097
01:37:49,170 --> 01:37:45,700
time I threw I had a bunch of change and

2098
01:37:53,010 --> 01:37:49,180
I threw it down and they they all kind

2099
01:38:01,040 --> 01:37:53,020
of gathered around it they're very rich

2100
01:38:04,140 --> 01:38:01,050
et's and throwing it down and I even

2101
01:38:10,740 --> 01:38:04,150
tied some some of my shirt that I ripped

2102
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:10,750
up to compass so I could try to hit some

2103
01:38:17,020 --> 01:38:12,970
brush because there wasn't nothing right

2104
01:38:19,390 --> 01:38:17,030
underneath the tree and in

2105
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:19,400
I caught a little pile of brush on fire

2106
01:38:29,010 --> 01:38:23,690
I figured that would bring the Calvary

2107
01:38:32,740 --> 01:38:29,020
that when I run out of stuff to burn I

2108
01:38:37,210 --> 01:38:32,750
headed for the top of the tree and then

2109
01:38:41,020 --> 01:38:37,220
then I it was pretty sparse tree I could

2110
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:41,030
see down to the ground and I broke off

2111
01:38:49,870 --> 01:38:45,290
the top and threw it down and any time I

2112
01:38:51,700 --> 01:38:49,880
throw down or shake the tree these

2113
01:38:54,580 --> 01:38:51,710
humanoids would back up

2114
01:38:57,190 --> 01:38:54,590
obviously they were timid humanoids is

2115
01:39:00,400 --> 01:38:57,200
that an observation to make my

2116
01:39:04,450 --> 01:39:00,410
impression is that they weren't

2117
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:04,460
intending to run across any any humans I

2118
01:39:09,250 --> 01:39:06,110
mean obviously they were there on some

2119
01:39:12,540 --> 01:39:09,260
other kind of mission for their game it

2120
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:12,550
was sort of their initial game plan

2121
01:39:18,210 --> 01:39:15,440
another question how far down in the

2122
01:39:21,580 --> 01:39:18,220
timeline are we at this point where he's

2123
01:39:23,260 --> 01:39:21,590
exhausted his resources to fight them

2124
01:39:25,150 --> 01:39:23,270
off he's climbed to the top of the tree

2125
01:39:27,070 --> 01:39:25,160
they're there they're picking up coins

2126
01:39:28,420 --> 01:39:27,080
thinking they're getting a tip from the

2127
01:39:31,450 --> 01:39:28,430
whole deal

2128
01:39:37,150 --> 01:39:31,460
how far down in the timeline are we in

2129
01:39:38,590 --> 01:39:37,160
terms of the timeline you know et you

2130
01:39:41,260 --> 01:39:38,600
know if you offer them some money

2131
01:39:44,590 --> 01:39:41,270
they won't abduct you well it may have

2132
01:39:46,210 --> 01:39:44,600
worked I mean you know I'm still you

2133
01:39:49,870 --> 01:39:46,220
know you say this is a 12-hour event how

2134
01:39:52,990 --> 01:39:49,880
where are we in the time okay so we've

2135
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:53,000
done research into this and sundown that

2136
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:57,410
evening September 4th 1964 occurred at

2137
01:40:03,340 --> 01:40:00,800
about 7:00 p.m. Pacific time and mr.

2138
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:03,350
Schramm sighted the mothership at about

2139
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:07,040
9:00 p.m. to about two hours after after

2140
01:40:15,250 --> 01:40:11,330
sundown and at sometime between 9:30 and

2141
01:40:18,670 --> 01:40:15,260
10:00 p.m. is when he sighted the

2142
01:40:23,650 --> 01:40:18,680
humanoids followed shortly thereafter by

2143
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:23,660
the first robot so the actual battle

2144
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:26,960
between shrum and the aliens raged from

2145
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:30,930
about 10:30 until

2146
01:40:37,670 --> 01:40:34,880
day break which was the next day

2147
01:40:43,300 --> 01:40:37,680
according to our research was about 5:30

2148
01:40:49,580 --> 01:40:43,310
a.m. so we are getting now toward the

2149
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:49,590
last few parts of this story when you

2150
01:40:54,890 --> 01:40:52,050
know they of the encounter do you want

2151
01:40:57,980 --> 01:40:54,900
to play a later part of the interview

2152
01:41:02,270 --> 01:40:57,990
here to get a sense of how wrapping up I

2153
01:41:05,150 --> 01:41:02,280
think we yeah we can play the the major

2154
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:05,160
turning point of the whole encounter is

2155
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:07,530
the next is it's gonna be the next clip

2156
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:10,610
which you know he's been getting these

2157
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:15,600
periodic vapor being emitted from this

2158
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:18,690
mechanical type creature it knocks him

2159
01:41:23,540 --> 01:41:20,970
out then when he comes to a few seconds

2160
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:23,550
her a minute or two later then he sees

2161
01:41:28,910 --> 01:41:25,440
the human I was trying to climb the tree

2162
01:41:29,930 --> 01:41:28,920
and this goes on repetitively for a

2163
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:29,940
while

2164
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:32,250
he says the final gassing recording

2165
01:41:38,150 --> 01:41:36,690
right right now yeah yeah go ahead after

2166
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:38,160
I went to the top of the tree

2167
01:41:46,940 --> 01:41:44,400
I had a military belt and I moved it out

2168
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:46,950
to the last hitch and and put it around

2169
01:41:52,850 --> 01:41:50,250
me in the in the tree so in case I did

2170
01:41:57,140 --> 01:41:52,860
get gassed they wouldn't I wouldn't fall

2171
01:42:01,700 --> 01:41:57,150
down and in

2172
01:42:04,510 --> 01:42:01,710
I like I said I threw changed down and

2173
01:42:11,420 --> 01:42:04,520
everything to try to distract him and

2174
01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:11,430
then finally they these two humanoids

2175
01:42:21,740 --> 01:42:14,820
step back from the tree and another

2176
01:42:25,850 --> 01:42:21,750
robot came and there was two just about

2177
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:25,860
the same place that the two humanoids

2178
01:42:36,740 --> 01:42:30,420
were and this they stood facing each

2179
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:36,750
other and flames just like lightning and

2180
01:42:48,460 --> 01:42:40,560
it real real bright and it just came

2181
01:42:49,790 --> 01:42:48,470
between them and then I their gas was so

2182
01:42:53,410 --> 01:42:49,800
thick

2183
01:42:55,610 --> 01:42:53,420
coming up the tree that it it would

2184
01:43:00,140 --> 01:42:55,620
dissipate just about the time I got to

2185
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:00,150
me but then that's when I'd start gasp

2186
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:05,610
for air and and then when I woke up from

2187
01:43:19,650 --> 01:43:14,940
light but the Sun hadn't come up yet and

2188
01:43:22,970 --> 01:43:19,660
I was just hanging by my belt my head

2189
01:43:28,020 --> 01:43:22,980
down my feet down and they were gone

2190
01:43:30,420 --> 01:43:28,030
well I knew I made it I lived through

2191
01:43:33,330 --> 01:43:30,430
the night just go back did you did you

2192
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:33,340
fall asleep or this gasps it was it

2193
01:43:38,900 --> 01:43:35,050
overdid it overwhelm you

2194
01:43:42,060 --> 01:43:38,910
yeah that's when it just it completely

2195
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,070
engulfed a whole tree and got up to me

2196
01:43:50,100 --> 01:43:44,560
and and I don't know how long I was I

2197
01:43:55,530 --> 01:43:50,110
was out but it was just it was you can

2198
01:43:59,370 --> 01:43:55,540
see just a dim glow of the Sun in the on

2199
01:44:05,700 --> 01:43:59,380
the clouds and stuff not clouds but in

2200
01:44:08,430 --> 01:44:05,710
the sky and in when I woke up it was

2201
01:44:10,590 --> 01:44:08,440
light but the Sun hadn't come up yet

2202
01:44:12,660 --> 01:44:10,600
we're hearing there from Donald's from

2203
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:12,670
talking about the case in the book

2204
01:44:17,490 --> 01:44:15,250
aliens in the forest with Ruben urk and

2205
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:17,500
noe Taurus with gene and Chris you're in

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2226
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2227
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2228
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2229
01:45:22,010 --> 01:45:20,400
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2230
01:45:23,150 --> 01:45:22,020
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2231
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:23,160
the liberties of the people than a

2232
01:45:25,970 --> 01:45:24,930
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

2233
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,980
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2234
01:45:31,340 --> 01:45:28,080
explains our monetary system call for

2235
01:45:34,460 --> 01:45:31,350
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2236
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:34,470
understand the system call 866 2 2 3 7

2237
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:37,840
that's 800 686 to 237

2238
01:45:51,950 --> 01:45:47,640
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2239
01:45:59,760 --> 01:45:51,960
standard of paranormal radio and now

2240
01:46:01,919 --> 01:45:59,770
here's Jane Steinberg this is gonna be

2241
01:46:04,620 --> 01:46:01,929
fascinating it's very rare on the para

2242
01:46:06,899 --> 01:46:04,630
cast that we actually let you hear the

2243
01:46:09,149 --> 01:46:06,909
witnesses of the case unless we have the

2244
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:09,159
witnesses on of course we're listening

2245
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:12,370
to the incredible frightening encounter

2246
01:46:20,610 --> 01:46:15,730
in his youth the young man in his 20s

2247
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:20,620
Donald trum being confronted by possible

2248
01:46:25,770 --> 01:46:23,650
alien beings a robotic creature being

2249
01:46:28,169 --> 01:46:25,780
shot gasps what a mess

2250
01:46:29,130 --> 01:46:28,179
no II tourists and Ruben your tape are

2251
01:46:32,010 --> 01:46:29,140
putting it all together

2252
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:32,020
okay guys in our final portion of the

2253
01:46:38,910 --> 01:46:36,010
show here tell us after this where did

2254
01:46:41,220 --> 01:46:38,920
this go what happened next well as we

2255
01:46:44,580 --> 01:46:41,230
heard in the last clip before the break

2256
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:44,590
mr. Schramm passed out when he saw

2257
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:47,530
another robotic looking creature come up

2258
01:46:51,870 --> 01:46:49,449
to the base of the tree and the two

2259
01:46:53,790 --> 01:46:51,880
robots faced each other there was a

2260
01:46:56,490 --> 01:46:53,800
flash of light that came between them

2261
01:46:58,520 --> 01:46:56,500
and then a tremendous volume of vapor

2262
01:47:01,500 --> 01:46:58,530
much more than he had previously

2263
01:47:04,500 --> 01:47:01,510
experienced came up and engulfed the

2264
01:47:06,930 --> 01:47:04,510
entire tree and knocked him out for what

2265
01:47:09,419 --> 01:47:06,940
could have been ours he doesn't know

2266
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:09,429
exactly how long he was out but when he

2267
01:47:17,070 --> 01:47:13,330
came to it was nearly daybreak and there

2268
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:17,080
was no sign of the creatures every they

2269
01:47:23,100 --> 01:47:20,170
were gone everything was was still and

2270
01:47:27,390 --> 01:47:23,110
he was hanging by this military belt

2271
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:27,400
that he had draped around the trunk of

2272
01:47:34,169 --> 01:47:29,050
the tree and he was just hanging their

2273
01:47:37,169 --> 01:47:34,179
head down in the tree and how far up was

2274
01:47:39,660 --> 01:47:37,179
he he was approximately eight or nine

2275
01:47:42,260 --> 01:47:39,670
feet off the ground I believe he's

2276
01:47:44,669 --> 01:47:42,270
really lucky that he didn't fall right

2277
01:47:47,100 --> 01:47:44,679
well wait a minute he said he climbed to

2278
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:47,110
the top of the tree tall was the tree

2279
01:47:51,689 --> 01:47:49,090
that's a really good question do you

2280
01:47:55,260 --> 01:47:51,699
remember the height of the tree Ruben no

2281
01:47:56,429 --> 01:47:55,270
no I think it was about based on the the

2282
01:47:58,500 --> 01:47:56,439
heights of the

2283
01:48:01,949 --> 01:47:58,510
on the picture so I would say it's about

2284
01:48:04,500 --> 01:48:01,959
least 30 feet there was another item

2285
01:48:06,359 --> 01:48:04,510
that he dad Don has shared with us he

2286
01:48:08,729 --> 01:48:06,369
said when he had first climbed up that

2287
01:48:11,129 --> 01:48:08,739
tree he had noticed that there were bear

2288
01:48:13,620 --> 01:48:11,139
claws on the bark already got so so

2289
01:48:15,779 --> 01:48:13,630
anyway the thing that Don had shared

2290
01:48:17,729 --> 01:48:15,789
with us was that when he initially

2291
01:48:20,370 --> 01:48:17,739
climbed up that tree he noticed there

2292
01:48:22,140 --> 01:48:20,380
were a number of the bear claws markings

2293
01:48:23,939 --> 01:48:22,150
on it so that tree has been visited

2294
01:48:27,390 --> 01:48:23,949
before the other thing that was really

2295
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:27,400
interesting is that tree was on a ledge

2296
01:48:32,699 --> 01:48:30,010
of a canyon he actually thought of

2297
01:48:34,229 --> 01:48:32,709
jumping off and he didn't want to be

2298
01:48:35,790 --> 01:48:34,239
captured he wouldn't that's what that's

2299
01:48:38,549 --> 01:48:35,800
what it was going through his mind he

2300
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:38,559
was going to jump down to the in down to

2301
01:48:43,589 --> 01:48:41,530
the canyon floor but what kept them what

2302
01:48:46,109 --> 01:48:43,599
changed his mind was the fact that he

2303
01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:46,119
had as nobody had mentioned earlier a

2304
01:48:50,939 --> 01:48:49,209
young baby girl was about a year old and

2305
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:50,949
the young wife and this is what

2306
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:54,639
motivated him to to survive all right

2307
01:48:59,279 --> 01:48:57,010
now what happened to his two friends

2308
01:49:01,469 --> 01:48:59,289
okay that that's a very good question it

2309
01:49:02,909 --> 01:49:01,479
fits in here very nicely because the

2310
01:49:04,799 --> 01:49:02,919
initial appearance of the mothership

2311
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:04,809
coming down from the Earth's atmosphere

2312
01:49:10,649 --> 01:49:08,320
and hovering over mr. Trump's position

2313
01:49:13,500 --> 01:49:10,659
that was witnessed by one of the other

2314
01:49:15,629 --> 01:49:13,510
hunters that was with him although he

2315
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:15,639
was physically separated by a couple of

2316
01:49:20,850 --> 01:49:18,400
miles he was at another place in the

2317
01:49:25,020 --> 01:49:20,860
forest he saw that that mothership

2318
01:49:27,839 --> 01:49:25,030
arriving out of the sky and unbeknownst

2319
01:49:30,569 --> 01:49:27,849
to him at that time this was uh this was

2320
01:49:33,810 --> 01:49:30,579
mr. shrooms friend Vincent Alvarez who

2321
01:49:36,209 --> 01:49:33,820
later filed a written affidavit stating

2322
01:49:38,819 --> 01:49:36,219
that he saw the initial appearance of

2323
01:49:41,459 --> 01:49:38,829
the mothership unknown to mr. Alvarez at

2324
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:41,469
the time when he saw the object zoom

2325
01:49:47,129 --> 01:49:44,530
across the sky and then go and and in

2326
01:49:50,219 --> 01:49:47,139
you know stop somewhere up ahead he

2327
01:49:52,649 --> 01:49:50,229
didn't realize that that that ship was

2328
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:52,659
now right at the position where mr.

2329
01:50:02,159 --> 01:49:56,800
shrum was located at that time the third

2330
01:50:03,509 --> 01:50:02,169
hunter was had made his way back to the

2331
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:03,519
base camp that that had established

2332
01:50:09,459 --> 01:50:07,119
earlier in the day Tim Trueblood who was

2333
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:09,469
a resident of Loomis California

2334
01:50:16,810 --> 01:50:13,130
so he had made his way back to camp and

2335
01:50:19,810 --> 01:50:16,820
eventually mr. Alvarez also joined him

2336
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:19,820
at the base camp and they were unaware

2337
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:22,130
of what was going on just a few miles

2338
01:50:28,420 --> 01:50:25,250
away in the tree where mr. shroom was

2339
01:50:31,900 --> 01:50:28,430
fighting off these strange creatures so

2340
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:31,910
they got to see the ship or whatever it

2341
01:50:37,090 --> 01:50:34,610
was but they never knew until they

2342
01:50:39,100 --> 01:50:37,100
talked with him later right Donald had

2343
01:50:41,740 --> 01:50:39,110
encountered that's correct now when he

2344
01:50:44,380 --> 01:50:41,750
came down from the tree he saw all the

2345
01:50:46,510 --> 01:50:44,390
stuff that he had thrown down you know

2346
01:50:49,630 --> 01:50:46,520
the night before he found his arrowheads

2347
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:49,640
and he kind of stumbled his way back

2348
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:53,210
toward the camp and about half way back

2349
01:50:58,330 --> 01:50:55,040
to where the camp would have been he

2350
01:50:59,920 --> 01:50:58,340
basically passed out from fatigue but at

2351
01:51:02,080 --> 01:50:59,930
that time his buddies were already

2352
01:51:03,370 --> 01:51:02,090
looking for him and vincent alvarez was

2353
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:03,380
the one who found them in the brush

2354
01:51:07,180 --> 01:51:05,210
helped him back to camp

2355
01:51:10,209 --> 01:51:07,190
and he told him a little bit of the

2356
01:51:13,420 --> 01:51:10,219
story but then he basically fell asleep

2357
01:51:15,850 --> 01:51:13,430
for six hours and it wasn't until you

2358
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:15,860
know after he woke up that he finally

2359
01:51:22,540 --> 01:51:19,010
told them and at that point mr. Alvarez

2360
01:51:25,209 --> 01:51:22,550
realized that the ship that mr. Schramm

2361
01:51:28,020 --> 01:51:25,219
had seen was a very ship that he also

2362
01:51:30,610 --> 01:51:28,030
witnessed coming down out of the sky I

2363
01:51:34,420 --> 01:51:30,620
just have one question that occurs to me

2364
01:51:36,250 --> 01:51:34,430
here the admission ever have any feeling

2365
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:36,260
that something else happened

2366
01:51:41,860 --> 01:51:39,530
maybe transpired while he was knocked

2367
01:51:45,130 --> 01:51:41,870
out that's a very good question because

2368
01:51:47,979 --> 01:51:45,140
that's exactly what plagued him for many

2369
01:51:51,130 --> 01:51:47,989
for a long period of time after this in

2370
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:51,140
addition to suffering ill effects that

2371
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:53,210
today we would call post-traumatic

2372
01:51:57,970 --> 01:51:56,090
stress syndrome and he had screaming

2373
01:52:01,240 --> 01:51:57,980
nightmares where he'd wake up covered in

2374
01:52:03,939 --> 01:52:01,250
sweat his wife testified to he had a lot

2375
01:52:05,530 --> 01:52:03,949
of trouble nightmares about these beings

2376
01:52:06,939 --> 01:52:05,540
that he saw in the forest that night but

2377
01:52:11,550 --> 01:52:06,949
in issue and in addition to all that

2378
01:52:14,110 --> 01:52:11,560
they were very concerned that perhaps

2379
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:14,120
you know as far as he knew he blacked

2380
01:52:18,459 --> 01:52:16,250
out that last time and he was out for a

2381
01:52:21,250 --> 01:52:18,469
long period of time that perhaps the

2382
01:52:23,050 --> 01:52:21,260
creatures had finally gotten to him you

2383
01:52:25,060 --> 01:52:23,060
know done whatever they wanted

2384
01:52:27,460 --> 01:52:25,070
with him and then just left him there in

2385
01:52:32,830 --> 01:52:27,470
the tree and that was a great matter of

2386
01:52:36,220 --> 01:52:32,840
concern until he underwent hypnosis at

2387
01:52:41,170 --> 01:52:36,230
the behest of UFO investigator Paul

2388
01:52:44,140 --> 01:52:41,180
cerny the late Paul Cerny in 1967 which

2389
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:44,150
was three years after the event they had

2390
01:52:50,380 --> 01:52:47,450
a session of hypnosis in the shrooms

2391
01:52:52,810 --> 01:52:50,390
home arranged by mr. Cerny and they took

2392
01:52:55,090 --> 01:52:52,820
him back they regressed him to his and

2393
01:52:56,890 --> 01:52:55,100
the incident in the forest they had him

2394
01:52:58,780 --> 01:52:56,900
view the whole thing from the

2395
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perspective of a detached observer

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01:53:04,180 --> 01:53:01,910
looking down at the events and it was at

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that point that it became clear to mr.

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Shrum that that the creatures had never

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never reached him and that they had

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departed shortly after he was finally

2401
01:53:19,150 --> 01:53:16,520
blacked out for the last time that's

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01:53:22,750 --> 01:53:19,160
really important I guess he was also

2403
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:22,760
really lucky it was after that you know

2404
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:24,770
that that session of hypnosis was what

2405
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put his mind at ease because up until

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that point he was extremely fearful that

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they would come back for him or that

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01:53:38,380 --> 01:53:35,330
they might have done something to him

2409
01:53:41,170 --> 01:53:38,390
maybe implanted something in him but the

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hypnosis gave him the confidence the

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peace of mind that they had never

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01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:45,740
actually reached him at all that was a

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01:53:50,910 --> 01:53:47,810
strong impression that he got as a

2414
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:50,920
result of reliving the experience

2415
01:53:55,480 --> 01:53:52,880
parenthetically that he ever have any

2416
01:53:57,970 --> 01:53:55,490
further UFO encounters throughout his

2417
01:54:00,160 --> 01:53:57,980
life actually he did and there were

2418
01:54:02,590 --> 01:54:00,170
instances there was one instance where

2419
01:54:05,230 --> 01:54:02,600
the family was camping mr. Schramm mrs.

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01:54:07,870 --> 01:54:05,240
schrum and some friends not at the Tower

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01:54:10,420 --> 01:54:07,880
National Forest but at another location

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01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:10,430
that it was a family camping trip and

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they were sitting around the campfire

2424
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:16,220
one evening talking totally not related

2425
01:54:20,650 --> 01:54:18,320
to UFOs or anything I mean it had been

2426
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awhile since this incident had happened

2427
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they had kind of put it out of their

2428
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minds as best they could but while they

2429
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were talking around that campfire all of

2430
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a sudden mr. Schramm was like in

2431
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mid-sentence when all of a sudden he

2432
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turned around and everybody that was

2433
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:36,500
sitting around the campfire noticed that

2434
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he

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looking it was kind of holding one of

2436
01:54:51,610 --> 01:54:49,130
his ears and all of a sudden over the

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01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:51,620
ridge zoomed this glowing UFO that

2438
01:54:56,380 --> 01:54:54,650
passed right over their camp and all of

2439
01:54:59,439 --> 01:54:56,390
the members of that of that camping

2440
01:55:02,709 --> 01:54:59,449
party saw this and after it had zoomed

2441
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past them and gone past they asked mr.

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Shrum how was it that he you know that

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he had turned prior to the appearance of

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this object and he told them that he had

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he told them that he knew they were

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coming he had heard this vibration in

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his ear which nobody else that was there

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heard while getting more of that a

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moment they were not good vibrations noe

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I'm sorry about that crazy crack disc

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jockey cracked about Good Vibrations but

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02:00:21,090 --> 02:00:17,760
in the sixties that was a popular song

2547
02:00:23,250 --> 02:00:21,100
part a the book is called aliens in the

2548
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:23,260
forest okay so when did this occur again

2549
02:00:32,820 --> 02:00:26,170
the incident were he experienced the UFO

2550
02:00:35,340 --> 02:00:32,830
sighting was in 1967 or 68 if memory

2551
02:00:37,290 --> 02:00:35,350
recalls like I don't have the exact date

2552
02:00:40,260 --> 02:00:37,300
here but it was some years after the

2553
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:40,270
encounter any other encounters after

2554
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:41,890
these two well there was a strange

2555
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:44,080
episode that's told by his wife where

2556
02:00:48,750 --> 02:00:46,810
they were again camping and they were in

2557
02:00:52,020 --> 02:00:48,760
their tent late at night and it was

2558
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:52,030
totally dark they felt a presence they

2559
02:00:57,450 --> 02:00:54,610
heard a rustling rustling noises and

2560
02:01:00,300 --> 02:00:57,460
they felt a presence inside the tent

2561
02:01:02,940 --> 02:01:00,310
they kind of huddled together in their

2562
02:01:05,190 --> 02:01:02,950
sleeping bags and they just didn't want

2563
02:01:07,500 --> 02:01:05,200
to deal with whatever might be there in

2564
02:01:10,550 --> 02:01:07,510
the tent with them and so they kind of

2565
02:01:13,590 --> 02:01:10,560
just didn't do anything just kind of

2566
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:13,600
weathered the storm and then nothing

2567
02:01:17,550 --> 02:01:15,610
nothing further happened so they weren't

2568
02:01:19,260 --> 02:01:17,560
sure if it might have been some kind of

2569
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:19,270
wild animal that had gotten in their

2570
02:01:25,260 --> 02:01:22,330
tent but they had this feeling that

2571
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:25,270
there was a presence in that tent with

2572
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:28,810
him it gets a little more Messier after

2573
02:01:35,550 --> 02:01:32,650
this in dealing with his report to the

2574
02:01:38,540 --> 02:01:35,560
United States Air Force which we're

2575
02:01:41,340 --> 02:01:38,550
already past now the this aspect of it

2576
02:01:43,890 --> 02:01:41,350
what did he report this to the Air Force

2577
02:01:47,070 --> 02:01:43,900
well that's a very interesting question

2578
02:01:48,900 --> 02:01:47,080
because it was not his intent to seek

2579
02:01:50,610 --> 02:01:48,910
out any publicity about this he was

2580
02:01:52,500 --> 02:01:50,620
worried about his job with the missile

2581
02:01:55,980 --> 02:01:52,510
defense contracting firm that he worked

2582
02:01:58,380 --> 02:01:55,990
with and he did mention only to his

2583
02:02:01,290 --> 02:01:58,390
immediate family members what had happen

2584
02:02:03,900 --> 02:02:01,300
and his mother-in-law happened to know a

2585
02:02:05,070 --> 02:02:03,910
former college professor of hers who was

2586
02:02:07,470 --> 02:02:05,080
an astronomer

2587
02:02:09,570 --> 02:02:07,480
so she the mother-in-law arranged for

2588
02:02:12,720 --> 02:02:09,580
mr. shrimp to speak to this astronomer

2589
02:02:15,300 --> 02:02:12,730
there in the Sacramento area and so mr.

2590
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:15,310
shroom spoke to him by phone about his

2591
02:02:19,470 --> 02:02:17,290
encounter and and then they went to see

2592
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:19,480
him also in person well this gentleman

2593
02:02:23,570 --> 02:02:21,450
turned around and Cahn

2594
02:02:26,630 --> 02:02:23,580
detected a one of the local air force

2595
02:02:29,990 --> 02:02:26,640
bases to tell them actually wrote a

2596
02:02:32,930 --> 02:02:30,000
letter telling them about mr. shrooms

2597
02:02:35,530 --> 02:02:32,940
encounter well as a result of this to

2598
02:02:38,240 --> 02:02:35,540
Air Force investigators were sent a

2599
02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:38,250
meeting was arranged with mr. schrum and

2600
02:02:43,510 --> 02:02:40,770
two investigators that they later found

2601
02:02:46,240 --> 02:02:43,520
out had been dispatched out of

2602
02:02:50,120 --> 02:02:46,250
wright-patterson Air Base in Dayton Ohio

2603
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:50,130
which at that time was the you know the

2604
02:02:54,350 --> 02:02:51,840
center of the world when it came to

2605
02:02:56,450 --> 02:02:54,360
government UFO investigations that was

2606
02:02:58,760 --> 02:02:56,460
where Project Blue Book was run out of

2607
02:03:01,640 --> 02:02:58,770
that was where a lot of folks have said

2608
02:03:03,860 --> 02:03:01,650
that there were a lot of odd UFO related

2609
02:03:05,090 --> 02:03:03,870
investigations being done by the

2610
02:03:09,170 --> 02:03:05,100
government at that time

2611
02:03:11,660 --> 02:03:09,180
well you know he was this particular

2612
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:11,670
case night I don't seem to recall this

2613
02:03:15,410 --> 02:03:14,010
was ever part of Blue Book there were a

2614
02:03:17,420 --> 02:03:15,420
lot of things that were part of Blue

2615
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:17,430
Book that were not disclosed to the

2616
02:03:23,630 --> 02:03:20,490
public they only but officially this was

2617
02:03:26,030 --> 02:03:23,640
not a a Blue Book case and I could see

2618
02:03:29,980 --> 02:03:26,040
why they would keep it secret because of

2619
02:03:32,330 --> 02:03:29,990
the hello jet witnesses but to my

2620
02:03:34,430 --> 02:03:32,340
recollection this is not an official

2621
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:34,440
Blue Book case they did not release it

2622
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:36,810
to the public there were a lot of cases

2623
02:03:41,210 --> 02:03:38,970
that were investigated looked at by Blue

2624
02:03:43,730 --> 02:03:41,220
Book and were not released for public

2625
02:03:46,030 --> 02:03:43,740
consumption they tended to release only

2626
02:03:48,950 --> 02:03:46,040
the weaker cases that had the easiest

2627
02:03:52,910 --> 02:03:48,960
explanations conventional explanations

2628
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:52,920
and they kept back the real puzzlers for

2629
02:03:56,660 --> 02:03:54,450
which there happened the airports

2630
02:03:58,280 --> 02:03:56,670
dispatched Air Force officers to

2631
02:04:00,680 --> 02:03:58,290
investigate the case and it wasn't part

2632
02:04:03,500 --> 02:04:00,690
of Blue Book I mean that lends credence

2633
02:04:05,090 --> 02:04:03,510
to the case in my estimation now dr. Jay

2634
02:04:07,790 --> 02:04:05,100
I always have to wonder before you go on

2635
02:04:10,670 --> 02:04:07,800
yes I wonder also that being the case

2636
02:04:13,010 --> 02:04:10,680
how many sightings did Blue Book gather

2637
02:04:15,410 --> 02:04:13,020
that never gotten into any of those

2638
02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:15,420
reports exactly if we read the materials

2639
02:04:20,510 --> 02:04:17,970
written by Jay Allen Hynek who was a

2640
02:04:22,760 --> 02:04:20,520
lead scientific investigator for Project

2641
02:04:25,670 --> 02:04:22,770
Blue Book four years for the whole time

2642
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:25,680
of its existence and afterward he became

2643
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:28,050
one of the leading spokesman for UFO

2644
02:04:32,630 --> 02:04:30,090
research and became a civilian UFO

2645
02:04:34,970 --> 02:04:32,640
researcher himself if you read his

2646
02:04:37,190 --> 02:04:34,980
statements after leaving Blue Book

2647
02:04:40,250 --> 02:04:37,200
it becomes clear and he said it himself

2648
02:04:41,810 --> 02:04:40,260
that Bluebook was not an agency that was

2649
02:04:45,260 --> 02:04:41,820
really trying to get at the mystery of

2650
02:04:48,050 --> 02:04:45,270
the UFOs their their purpose was to try

2651
02:04:50,780 --> 02:04:48,060
to allay public fears and suspicions and

2652
02:04:54,050 --> 02:04:50,790
they just put out the cases that were

2653
02:04:56,300 --> 02:04:54,060
extremely easy to Cano to talk about and

2654
02:04:58,130 --> 02:04:56,310
to circumvent and and and give

2655
02:05:00,830 --> 02:04:58,140
conventional explanations for so he

2656
02:05:02,510 --> 02:05:00,840
himself was very very high on the shroom

2657
02:05:05,030 --> 02:05:02,520
case and he did a lot of the

2658
02:05:07,250 --> 02:05:05,040
investigation into it so he knew that

2659
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there was something really solid and

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credible here just as he did with the

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Pascagoula Mississippi case because of

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it we're running short on time they

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think the aspect or the thing that made

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this very interesting is that the shrubs

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did meet with these two Air Force

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officials and he did you know he

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explained to him what had happened but

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they didn't believe him they were coming

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up with a number of excuses they were

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saying that perhaps these that could

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have been caused by a group of Boy

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Scouts who were young teenagers that

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were out there in the woods doing the

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prank or was gassing somebody that's the

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most ridiculous was that they could have

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been these know Japanese soldiers yeah

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there could have been some holdover

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Japanese soldiers from World War two

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still hanging around in the woods

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they're causing havoc upon poor poor

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Americans who happen to be hunting in

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the woods so that was another

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explanation that was shot out there

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this stuff is wacky it sounds very

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strange yes well here's the thing is

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that Don and his brother and some

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friends they returned back to the site

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about two three weeks later they found

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they found the tree they found that were

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the charred markings from the fire but

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the thing that really caught their

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attention was the fact that that entire

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area was raked it was clip it clean they

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02:06:39,650 --> 02:06:36,870
found a bunch of cigarette butt

2695
02:06:42,890 --> 02:06:39,660
cigarette packages and it immediately

2696
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they just knew that that the Air Force

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or some military large task group was

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there we have a really interesting clip

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on that

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mr. Shermer we had would have time for

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it sure on the Air Force investigation

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so called talking to the US Air Force

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okay I think we'll do that in the next

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segment because we don't have much time

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left before we have to spend a little

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time with our benefactors but it'd be

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interesting to get his reaction talking

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to the Air Force Donald's from and his

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encounter with them and the way they

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reacted to the case and as you were

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telling me they of course their efforts

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to explain away oh it's nothing don't

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worry about it it's Japanese Japanese

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soldiers

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oh that's wacky that's so this or maybe

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just some of the ones that they interned

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during World War two they escaped

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finally George Takei was there

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that's it Sulu came over George Takei

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Spielberg's movie 1941 downloads from is

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we're hearing also from Noah tourists

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Ruben you're teh authors of aliens in

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the forest this is gotta be one of the

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more fascinating cases we've heard you

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know it's something that that just

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something flying overhead or someone

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being abducted but hours and hours of

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being terrorized by who knows what these

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creatures were I think Chris O'Brien

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there was channeling his inner trickster

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you never know with Gene and Chris

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since you were laid off and placing your

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child's name on the Angel Tree in hopes

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of a Christmas gift along with thousands

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of other Americans as you ever think

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you're listening to the podcast as we

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continue with our discussion of the

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02:13:01,040 --> 02:12:58,920
encounters of Donald's from the book

2833
02:13:03,590 --> 02:13:01,050
aliens in the forest with Noah Taurus

2834
02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:03,600
and Ruben Norte we do have a segment

2835
02:13:10,550 --> 02:13:07,850
here where Donald trum discusses his

2836
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meetings with the air force back in the

2837
02:13:15,770 --> 02:13:13,560
1960s when Project Blue Book was really

2838
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here and how they reacted let's hear

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02:13:26,060 --> 02:13:22,800
that anyone else well my family I told

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02:13:31,580 --> 02:13:26,070
them and in the only outside person at

2841
02:13:35,320 --> 02:13:31,590
that time was a professor at one of the

2842
02:13:37,880 --> 02:13:35,330
colleges and my mother-in-law had gone

2843
02:13:41,330 --> 02:13:37,890
it was her professor when she was

2844
02:13:44,689 --> 02:13:41,340
younger so we told him the story and

2845
02:13:47,130 --> 02:13:44,699
he's the one that contacted the Air

2846
02:13:51,810 --> 02:13:48,930
so what happened there John whittier

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force well they made an appointment with

2848
02:14:02,730 --> 02:13:57,520
two folks meeting representatives of the

2849
02:14:05,970 --> 02:14:02,740
air force and they tried to disillusion

2850
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:05,980
me they said well you know the Japanese

2851
02:14:12,300 --> 02:14:08,410
might have had somebody up there you

2852
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know they was still you know they said

2853
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the Boy Scouts dressed up you know and

2854
02:14:21,810 --> 02:14:18,190
tossed him just to scare somebody

2855
02:14:23,790 --> 02:14:21,820
and I said yeah I'm sure they're gonna

2856
02:14:30,020 --> 02:14:23,800
spend all night and keep a guy in a tree

2857
02:14:33,900 --> 02:14:30,030
you know and oh then they said the army

2858
02:14:36,270 --> 02:14:33,910
probably been whacked up there and it

2859
02:14:39,090 --> 02:14:36,280
was in a training camp so my

2860
02:14:41,070 --> 02:14:39,100
father-in-law was in the Air Force so he

2861
02:14:45,300 --> 02:14:41,080
called and found out there was no

2862
02:14:47,640 --> 02:14:45,310
military in that area for any reason

2863
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:47,650
because it was it was pretty desolate

2864
02:14:55,410 --> 02:14:51,850
area and they try to disillusion me in

2865
02:15:02,820 --> 02:14:55,420
every way they could and they they took

2866
02:15:05,250 --> 02:15:02,830
the Arrowhead the the main one and they

2867
02:15:06,540 --> 02:15:05,260
said well we'll get back to you and you

2868
02:15:10,650 --> 02:15:06,550
can have this back soon as we get

2869
02:15:13,110 --> 02:15:10,660
through with it which I never did but

2870
02:15:19,230 --> 02:15:13,120
when I went back up there during rifle

2871
02:15:28,530 --> 02:15:19,240
season I found the other arrow the third

2872
02:15:32,030 --> 02:15:28,540
one yeah and when we went back the area

2873
02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:32,040
had been raked and it is an area

2874
02:15:39,390 --> 02:15:36,130
probably 50 feet around that tree and

2875
02:15:41,970 --> 02:15:39,400
there was cigarette packages and cigar

2876
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:41,980
butts and so I know the Air Force

2877
02:15:49,770 --> 02:15:47,530
checked it out pretty good and they had

2878
02:15:52,380 --> 02:15:49,780
an easy way to find it because it was

2879
02:15:54,780 --> 02:15:52,390
there's an orange circle around that

2880
02:15:58,830 --> 02:15:54,790
tree that where I had caught little

2881
02:16:02,210 --> 02:15:58,840
fires and it was showing orange so if

2882
02:16:06,330 --> 02:16:02,220
they had no problem finding it and I

2883
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:06,340
marked on the map that they had where it

2884
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:09,040
was the location interesting here of

2885
02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:11,650
course how careless the Air Force is you

2886
02:16:15,900 --> 02:16:13,570
know they leave cigarettes and they

2887
02:16:18,750 --> 02:16:15,910
leave cigarette packs you almost think

2888
02:16:21,330 --> 02:16:18,760
they wanted to be caught well they took

2889
02:16:23,090 --> 02:16:21,340
a bunch of guys you know on a detail and

2890
02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:23,100
didn't didn't give him any any

2891
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:25,570
information they just said you know rake

2892
02:16:29,370 --> 02:16:27,760
this place up you know clean it up so

2893
02:16:32,250 --> 02:16:29,380
they had no idea what they were doing

2894
02:16:35,220 --> 02:16:32,260
and it makes sense we've had similar

2895
02:16:37,709 --> 02:16:35,230
accounts by witnesses in the past where

2896
02:16:39,930 --> 02:16:37,719
everything is pretty much raked clean

2897
02:16:41,700 --> 02:16:39,940
and mr. shrim said there were definitely

2898
02:16:44,580 --> 02:16:41,710
footprints all around the area very

2899
02:16:46,500 --> 02:16:44,590
strange little footprints you know prior

2900
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:46,510
to the Air Force coming in and cleaning

2901
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:49,210
everything up so we're any photographs

2902
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:51,010
taken when they went back up there doing

2903
02:16:55,740 --> 02:16:52,960
rifles season did anyone think of being

2904
02:16:57,180 --> 02:16:55,750
a camera along yeah in our book there's

2905
02:16:59,760 --> 02:16:57,190
a whole bunch of pictures that were

2906
02:17:01,919 --> 02:16:59,770
taken by mr. Strom and his brother you

2907
02:17:04,589 --> 02:17:01,929
know they took pictures of the tree and

2908
02:17:06,390 --> 02:17:04,599
the surrounding area but by that time of

2909
02:17:08,520 --> 02:17:06,400
course the Air Force had been there and

2910
02:17:10,379 --> 02:17:08,530
there was a much left and also in the

2911
02:17:13,290 --> 02:17:10,389
clip he mentioned that the Air Force had

2912
02:17:15,480 --> 02:17:13,300
taken the one Arrowhead that had

2913
02:17:19,290 --> 02:17:15,490
definite trace evidence of it

2914
02:17:21,360 --> 02:17:19,300
on it from having struck the robot

2915
02:17:23,940 --> 02:17:21,370
creature it hit first of all it had been

2916
02:17:25,400 --> 02:17:23,950
bent over you know I'm a senior I'm

2917
02:17:28,430 --> 02:17:25,410
assuming it was a metal a metal

2918
02:17:31,410 --> 02:17:28,440
Arrowhead because it sparked when it yes

2919
02:17:33,570 --> 02:17:31,420
it's parked on a curled up from the

2920
02:17:38,400 --> 02:17:33,580
force of hitting this robot and it had

2921
02:17:41,220 --> 02:17:38,410
pieces of some kind of shavings or

2922
02:17:44,520 --> 02:17:41,230
traces of something from the surface of

2923
02:17:47,220 --> 02:17:44,530
that robot creature so mr. shroom felt

2924
02:17:49,950 --> 02:17:47,230
that that one arrow had the best chance

2925
02:17:52,410 --> 02:17:49,960
of being analyzed in a lab and found to

2926
02:17:54,570 --> 02:17:52,420
contain whatever materials these

2927
02:17:56,280 --> 02:17:54,580
creatures were made of you know have a

2928
02:17:59,940 --> 02:17:56,290
bizarre question it just occurred to me

2929
02:18:02,640 --> 02:17:59,950
guys okay so the Air Force obviously

2930
02:18:06,030 --> 02:18:02,650
made an intense investigation of this

2931
02:18:09,300 --> 02:18:06,040
did you folks ever try to send a Freedom

2932
02:18:12,180 --> 02:18:09,310
of Information inquiry to see if there's

2933
02:18:16,050 --> 02:18:12,190
any documentation actually mr. cerny and

2934
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:16,060
mr. shroom did you know it's in the in

2935
02:18:22,070 --> 02:18:19,930
the late 60s and we have we have some of

2936
02:18:24,780 --> 02:18:22,080
those documents we have a number of

2937
02:18:27,570 --> 02:18:24,790
correspondences between the Air Force

2938
02:18:29,580 --> 02:18:27,580
and civilian UFO investigators with

2939
02:18:31,710 --> 02:18:29,590
night cap and later move on but

2940
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:31,720
basically they kind of shuffled this

2941
02:18:38,100 --> 02:18:34,210
under piles of papers and they

2942
02:18:39,900 --> 02:18:38,110
classified it as psychological that was

2943
02:18:41,490 --> 02:18:39,910
this you know after they gathered

2944
02:18:44,390 --> 02:18:41,500
everything and talked to the witness

2945
02:18:46,140 --> 02:18:44,400
they explained it away as being a

2946
02:18:48,600 --> 02:18:46,150
psychological case

2947
02:18:50,940 --> 02:18:48,610
so basically 12-hour freaked out you

2948
02:18:53,400 --> 02:18:50,950
know no he was up there and he maybe he

2949
02:18:55,380 --> 02:18:53,410
stumbled on some Panther and monedas or

2950
02:18:57,660 --> 02:18:55,390
they probably didn't have cows up there

2951
02:19:00,030 --> 02:18:57,670
so probably there were no cubensis but

2952
02:19:02,430 --> 02:19:00,040
maybe some Amanita I mean they could

2953
02:19:06,840 --> 02:19:02,440
explain this away with a variety of

2954
02:19:09,480 --> 02:19:06,850
plants in this CRS but but but gene we

2955
02:19:13,460 --> 02:19:09,490
both know that that the Air Force has a

2956
02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:13,470
way of ascribing ridiculous

2957
02:19:17,880 --> 02:19:15,610
interpretations of cases back in this

2958
02:19:20,610 --> 02:19:17,890
time period so I personally feel that

2959
02:19:23,270 --> 02:19:20,620
something happened to the guy based on

2960
02:19:26,520 --> 02:19:23,280
on just listening to the tape recordings

2961
02:19:29,160 --> 02:19:26,530
so straightforward no easily

2962
02:19:31,230 --> 02:19:29,170
okay this is what happened to me here we

2963
02:19:33,270 --> 02:19:31,240
go and the fire his little chuckles when

2964
02:19:36,960 --> 02:19:33,280
he when he says something kind of almost

2965
02:19:38,990 --> 02:19:36,970
absurd you know he chuckles like oh well

2966
02:19:43,820 --> 02:19:39,000
yeah he's a very down-to-earth

2967
02:19:46,230 --> 02:19:43,830
individual you know he's not he's not I

2968
02:19:48,540 --> 02:19:46,240
want to know more I want I think we'd

2969
02:19:52,400 --> 02:19:48,550
like to have him on the show yeah would

2970
02:19:56,011 --> 02:19:52,410
he be willing do you think - come on

2971
02:19:59,841 --> 02:19:56,021
this is fabulous staff man sure is there

2972
02:20:03,360 --> 02:19:59,851
a way that we can get any sort of foi a

2973
02:20:05,761 --> 02:20:03,370
in regards to that arrow man because

2974
02:20:08,400 --> 02:20:05,771
you're right that has probably had you

2975
02:20:10,261 --> 02:20:08,410
know really definable physical evidence

2976
02:20:13,290 --> 02:20:10,271
on it well the last correspondence

2977
02:20:16,110 --> 02:20:13,300
between the Air Force and the shrooms in

2978
02:20:18,091 --> 02:20:16,120
the early seventies I believe the Air

2979
02:20:19,740 --> 02:20:18,101
Force claimed that they no longer had it

2980
02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:19,750
in their possession that it had been

2981
02:20:25,680 --> 02:20:23,290
given or given to a university somewhere

2982
02:20:28,140 --> 02:20:25,690
and then the shrooms tried to trace it

2983
02:20:29,761 --> 02:20:28,150
at that University and and couldn't

2984
02:20:33,150 --> 02:20:29,771
Rubin do you have any additional details

2985
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:33,160
on it pretty much what she's mentioned

2986
02:20:38,310 --> 02:20:35,200
there no II and that's something real

2987
02:20:41,700 --> 02:20:38,320
quickly do you remember that television

2988
02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:41,710
show called Project UFO back in 1978

2989
02:20:47,211 --> 02:20:44,650
that was produced by Jack Webb do you

2990
02:20:50,850 --> 02:20:47,221
recall this was something where

2991
02:20:55,110 --> 02:20:50,860
educators of UFO cases and was like Joe

2992
02:20:59,580 --> 02:20:55,120
Friday yes officer Frank Smith but

2993
02:21:01,171 --> 02:20:59,590
chasing UFOs has to have criminals well

2994
02:21:03,030 --> 02:21:01,181
they were they were with Project Blue

2995
02:21:05,370 --> 02:21:03,040
Book and there were the two Air Force

2996
02:21:07,290 --> 02:21:05,380
officers that went around there I think

2997
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:07,300
there were about 36 episodes that were

2998
02:21:12,480 --> 02:21:09,610
produced and they actually did do a

2999
02:21:15,320 --> 02:21:12,490
whole episode on the on the Cisco Grove

3000
02:21:18,001 --> 02:21:15,330
case although it was totally distorted

3001
02:21:20,940 --> 02:21:18,011
it was laughable and it was very clear

3002
02:21:24,841 --> 02:21:20,950
that a lot of these project UFO episodes

3003
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:24,851
were meant to bolster the Bluebook view

3004
02:21:29,850 --> 02:21:27,130
of what had happened and interestingly

3005
02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:29,860
enough those like Jack Webb would always

3006
02:21:34,591 --> 02:21:32,050
go to the official sources to get

3007
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information dragnet he made dragnet as

3008
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close as possible to the actual

3009
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experiences of the LA Police Department

3010
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but

3011
02:21:44,281 --> 02:21:42,251
sisqó grove episode of that show was so

3012
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laughable they actually dragged out of

3013
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mouths mothballs the suit that was used

3014
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of Robby the Robot from from the classic

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movie fantastic planet in the same

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costume they used in lost in space

3017
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believers and the danger Will Robinson

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oh by the way the actor who did that

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voice danger Will Robinson he died

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the same light as a real television so

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from outside it looks like someone is

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home watching TV fake TV plugs in just

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like a lamp on a timer but is far more

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convincing to burglars fake TV deters

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3120
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word or two about the power cast which I

3121
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believe is the gold standard of

3122
02:27:02,460 --> 02:26:59,399
there's the robotic Chris O'Brien I'm

3123
02:27:03,779 --> 02:27:02,470
serious the guy who did the voice danger

3124
02:27:06,689 --> 02:27:03,789
Will Robinson

3125
02:27:09,149 --> 02:27:06,699
I forget the announcers name very famous

3126
02:27:11,099 --> 02:27:09,159
announcer no longer with us on a more

3127
02:27:13,409 --> 02:27:11,109
serious note we've heard of the recent

3128
02:27:16,139 --> 02:27:13,419
passing of longtime UFO investigator

3129
02:27:18,359 --> 02:27:16,149
Lewis Farish it was a friend of mine and

3130
02:27:20,250 --> 02:27:18,369
we were sad to see him go on of course

3131
02:27:21,479 --> 02:27:20,260
we send our sympathies to as many

3132
02:27:25,019 --> 02:27:21,489
friends around the world

3133
02:27:27,510 --> 02:27:25,029
Lucius Parish we have noe Taurus Reuben

3134
02:27:30,630 --> 02:27:27,520
UART a we're talking about the case of

3135
02:27:32,699 --> 02:27:30,640
Donald's from aliens in the forest now

3136
02:27:34,559 --> 02:27:32,709
this is the final segment of the show so

3137
02:27:37,679 --> 02:27:34,569
let's go through some of the issues

3138
02:27:40,170 --> 02:27:37,689
pretty quickly over the years once this

3139
02:27:43,290 --> 02:27:40,180
happened what do you think are the

3140
02:27:44,519 --> 02:27:43,300
long-term effects to his life other than

3141
02:27:45,899 --> 02:27:44,529
just remembering something pretty

3142
02:27:48,540 --> 02:27:45,909
frightening well the interesting thing

3143
02:27:50,399 --> 02:27:48,550
about it as we had talked about earlier

3144
02:27:52,979 --> 02:27:50,409
when we first started the show in fact

3145
02:27:56,699 --> 02:27:52,989
is that mr. Schramm has a vivid recall

3146
02:27:58,649 --> 02:27:56,709
of the entire experience even these many

3147
02:28:00,420 --> 02:27:58,659
years afterward don't have the

3148
02:28:03,239 --> 02:28:00,430
nightmares you talked about in the early

3149
02:28:05,130 --> 02:28:03,249
years well no he those only lasted a

3150
02:28:07,620 --> 02:28:05,140
couple of years he underwent the

3151
02:28:10,439 --> 02:28:07,630
hypnotic regression and that helped him

3152
02:28:12,149 --> 02:28:10,449
to kind of step out of himself and look

3153
02:28:14,460 --> 02:28:12,159
at the whole picture that was going on

3154
02:28:16,500 --> 02:28:14,470
that night and you know he got this

3155
02:28:18,989 --> 02:28:16,510
peace of mind of knowing that the aliens

3156
02:28:21,719 --> 02:28:18,999
had never reached him and after that he

3157
02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:21,729
was a lot more common settled about it

3158
02:28:28,290 --> 02:28:24,489
however as Reuben has described he

3159
02:28:30,330 --> 02:28:28,300
always gets this reaction from when he

3160
02:28:32,550 --> 02:28:30,340
tells the story there's a definite

3161
02:28:35,519 --> 02:28:32,560
physical reaction and Reuben can talk

3162
02:28:38,699 --> 02:28:35,529
more about that again yeah just looking

3163
02:28:41,250 --> 02:28:38,709
at his body language and him stating

3164
02:28:43,349 --> 02:28:41,260
what had happened to him you could see

3165
02:28:45,960 --> 02:28:43,359
that this van has been definitely

3166
02:28:48,779 --> 02:28:45,970
affected by by something that happened

3167
02:28:50,760 --> 02:28:48,789
many years ago but it's still alive with

3168
02:28:52,229 --> 02:28:50,770
him right now we have a really good clip

3169
02:28:54,899 --> 02:28:52,239
if we have time for it on the

3170
02:28:57,569 --> 02:28:54,909
after-effects of the encounter I don't

3171
02:28:59,909 --> 02:28:57,579
know if we could squeeze that in I'll

3172
02:29:01,469 --> 02:28:59,919
tell you what I'm an expert squeezer so

3173
02:29:05,580 --> 02:29:01,479
I'll tell you what we'll do we'll do

3174
02:29:07,830 --> 02:29:05,590
some magic here to squeeze let me just

3175
02:29:09,510 --> 02:29:07,840
you know press it a little bit tighter

3176
02:29:10,920 --> 02:29:09,520
do some audible squeeze

3177
02:29:13,139 --> 02:29:10,930
and we're now going to hear the

3178
02:29:14,460 --> 02:29:13,149
after-effects I like to go there I just

3179
02:29:19,189 --> 02:29:14,470
wanted to ask you how how has this

3180
02:29:24,239 --> 02:29:23,579
well for a year I had I mean screaming

3181
02:29:30,029 --> 02:29:24,249
nightmares

3182
02:29:35,070 --> 02:29:30,039
I mean I'd wake up yelling those eyes

3183
02:29:43,779 --> 02:29:38,250
I'd be just a cold sweat just be

3184
02:29:52,239 --> 02:29:49,089
I even I even thought about when I was

3185
02:29:55,359 --> 02:29:52,249
up in the top of that tree I thought

3186
02:29:58,389 --> 02:29:55,369
about just jumping off and jumping down

3187
02:30:00,969 --> 02:29:58,399
the canyon and just killing myself but

3188
02:30:06,010 --> 02:30:00,979
the only thing that kept me going is I

3189
02:30:10,119 --> 02:30:06,020
had the little girl my wife that kept me

3190
02:30:13,599 --> 02:30:10,129
fighting oh wow oh wow that's some way

3191
02:30:16,419 --> 02:30:13,609
to react to it right there the thing

3192
02:30:18,760 --> 02:30:16,429
that he'd said to us that the thing that

3193
02:30:22,569 --> 02:30:18,770
he said at the in the final interview is

3194
02:30:25,179 --> 02:30:22,579
yeah one didn't take me man I'm still

3195
02:30:27,339 --> 02:30:25,189
here did he ever want to try to do his

3196
02:30:29,319 --> 02:30:27,349
own UFO investigation you know talk to

3197
02:30:31,749 --> 02:30:29,329
other people who had experiences a

3198
02:30:33,729 --> 02:30:31,759
Reuben had all the materials that they

3199
02:30:37,299 --> 02:30:33,739
collected for years afterward about

3200
02:30:39,789 --> 02:30:37,309
almost every major case in in the in the

3201
02:30:42,789 --> 02:30:39,799
US and many from around the world so

3202
02:30:45,219 --> 02:30:42,799
they kept clippings and that they were

3203
02:30:48,459 --> 02:30:45,229
especially looking for similar events

3204
02:30:50,619 --> 02:30:48,469
that had robot connections that were

3205
02:30:53,079 --> 02:30:50,629
similar to what Don so they've they've

3206
02:30:55,089 --> 02:30:53,089
maintained this this search and this

3207
02:30:57,519 --> 02:30:55,099
focus on trying to understand what

3208
02:30:59,559 --> 02:30:57,529
happened to mr. Shrum and in fact that's

3209
02:31:01,929 --> 02:30:59,569
one of the primary motivations they had

3210
02:31:04,209 --> 02:31:01,939
for putting having us put this into the

3211
02:31:05,739 --> 02:31:04,219
form of a book and getting the story

3212
02:31:08,459 --> 02:31:05,749
finally out to the general public

3213
02:31:11,529 --> 02:31:08,469
because they want to know to this day

3214
02:31:14,139 --> 02:31:11,539
what it was exactly that he encountered

3215
02:31:17,319 --> 02:31:14,149
and what explanations if any can be

3216
02:31:20,229 --> 02:31:17,329
found about it after all this time did

3217
02:31:22,389 --> 02:31:20,239
they contact you or did you contact them

3218
02:31:25,169 --> 02:31:22,399
the Reuben was that made the initial

3219
02:31:27,609 --> 02:31:25,179
contact he comes yeah actually was

3220
02:31:30,249 --> 02:31:27,619
through another former colleague who

3221
02:31:33,579 --> 02:31:30,259
knew them and uh as I mentioned earlier

3222
02:31:35,829 --> 02:31:33,589
I had the case files and then when she

3223
02:31:38,649 --> 02:31:35,839
had told me that she knew the new them

3224
02:31:41,319 --> 02:31:38,659
and then she had arranged the meeting

3225
02:31:44,439 --> 02:31:41,329
for me to go and talk to them and

3226
02:31:47,589 --> 02:31:44,449
actually they were very kind to invite

3227
02:31:49,899 --> 02:31:47,599
me over and spend time with them so they

3228
02:31:51,999 --> 02:31:49,909
as it turned out and I was very

3229
02:31:54,879 --> 02:31:52,009
fortunate to team up with noe to put

3230
02:31:56,349 --> 02:31:54,889
this into a book this is exactly what

3231
02:31:57,400 --> 02:31:56,359
they wanted they wanted to get the story

3232
02:32:01,060 --> 02:31:57,410
out and in

3233
02:32:03,040 --> 02:32:01,070
told by them how it happened very much

3234
02:32:05,620 --> 02:32:03,050
their description fascinating

3235
02:32:09,100 --> 02:32:05,630
fascinating story and certainly

3236
02:32:11,500 --> 02:32:09,110
something that is going to deserve a lot

3237
02:32:13,840 --> 02:32:11,510
of explanation and we're glad he's still

3238
02:32:16,030 --> 02:32:13,850
around to tell us all about it is he

3239
02:32:23,730 --> 02:32:16,040
willing to come on a show like this all

3240
02:32:26,200 --> 02:32:23,740
I asked his son he is going through

3241
02:32:28,389 --> 02:32:26,210
unfortunately some health issues all

3242
02:32:31,360 --> 02:32:28,399
right so we're not quite sure how we

3243
02:32:33,250 --> 02:32:31,370
would handle it but we're again we were

3244
02:32:36,219 --> 02:32:33,260
just very lucky that we had the audio

3245
02:32:41,320 --> 02:32:36,229
and film clip set that we have put

3246
02:32:44,889 --> 02:32:41,330
together and back in 2005 which added

3247
02:32:47,260 --> 02:32:44,899
which we had been able to use the

3248
02:32:48,700 --> 02:32:47,270
material for for our book and all the

3249
02:32:51,250 --> 02:32:48,710
other additional documents that were

3250
02:32:52,170 --> 02:32:51,260
that were given to us from from the

3251
02:32:56,650 --> 02:32:52,180
family

3252
02:32:59,050 --> 02:32:56,660
Ruben noe really thank you so much for

3253
02:33:03,250 --> 02:32:59,060
putting the time in on this case this is

3254
02:33:05,679 --> 02:33:03,260
a fascinating you know I think a very

3255
02:33:08,410 --> 02:33:05,689
important case and you guys have done a

3256
02:33:10,540 --> 02:33:08,420
really good job based on you know my

3257
02:33:13,870 --> 02:33:10,550
limited knowledge of this I am really

3258
02:33:16,330 --> 02:33:13,880
intrigued about this case and I want to

3259
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:16,340
know more tell us about the book a

3260
02:33:21,310 --> 02:33:18,890
little bit and how people can get copies

3261
02:33:23,679 --> 02:33:21,320
and and would you guys be willing to

3262
02:33:26,170 --> 02:33:23,689
come on the pair of cast forum and enter

3263
02:33:28,389 --> 02:33:26,180
into a dialogue with our forum of

3264
02:33:30,490 --> 02:33:28,399
posters this is gonna generate an

3265
02:33:32,560 --> 02:33:30,500
incredible amount of interest and if you

3266
02:33:34,810 --> 02:33:32,570
guys can squeeze some time out it'll be

3267
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:34,820
great to have you guys interact with

3268
02:33:39,490 --> 02:33:37,130
some of our posters who are very very up

3269
02:33:42,389 --> 02:33:39,500
to speed yeah that sounds great we'd

3270
02:33:45,429 --> 02:33:42,399
like to do that definitely and our book

3271
02:33:47,800 --> 02:33:45,439
aliens in the forest the Cisco Grove UFO

3272
02:33:50,740 --> 02:33:47,810
encounter is available from amazon.com

3273
02:33:52,780 --> 02:33:50,750
and all of the major online booksellers

3274
02:33:55,270 --> 02:33:52,790
and it's also available through our

3275
02:33:57,310 --> 02:33:55,280
website as well as additional

3276
02:33:59,950 --> 02:33:57,320
information about mr. Schramm we have

3277
02:34:02,440 --> 02:33:59,960
some video testimony from him and we

3278
02:34:06,700 --> 02:34:02,450
have some information on our other books

3279
02:34:09,480 --> 02:34:06,710
at Roswell ebooks.com that's Roswell

3280
02:34:10,600 --> 02:34:09,490
books calm and it's interesting because

3281
02:34:12,370 --> 02:34:10,610
Ruben

3282
02:34:15,610 --> 02:34:12,380
I have either individually or

3283
02:34:19,270 --> 02:34:15,620
collectively helped each other and we

3284
02:34:22,751 --> 02:34:19,280
put out seven books already on the UFO

3285
02:34:25,870 --> 02:34:22,761
phenomenon and we've gotten the most

3286
02:34:28,150 --> 02:34:25,880
reaction from aliens in the forest it

3287
02:34:32,140 --> 02:34:28,160
seems that there's a tremendous amount

3288
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:32,150
of interest in this particular case I

3289
02:34:36,370 --> 02:34:34,250
think the authenticity of it the

3290
02:34:40,001 --> 02:34:36,380
genuineness of the witness and the

3291
02:34:42,910 --> 02:34:40,011
massive amount of documentation really

3292
02:34:44,620 --> 02:34:42,920
really bolsters this case the one thing

3293
02:34:47,350 --> 02:34:44,630
I think our listeners have to appreciate

3294
02:34:48,970 --> 02:34:47,360
here is the fact that unlike a lot of

3295
02:34:50,801 --> 02:34:48,980
cases where everything is pretty

3296
02:34:52,810 --> 02:34:50,811
academic or someone says well this

3297
02:34:55,631 --> 02:34:52,820
person told me this is what happened

3298
02:34:56,620 --> 02:34:55,641
you heard ladies and gentlemen in his

3299
02:35:00,551 --> 02:34:56,630
own words

3300
02:35:04,150 --> 02:35:00,561
Donald's from telling you exactly what

3301
02:35:06,850 --> 02:35:04,160
he experienced all the details so this

3302
02:35:09,160 --> 02:35:06,860
is the one thing that separates this

3303
02:35:12,041 --> 02:35:09,170
particular story from a lot of others

3304
02:35:14,350 --> 02:35:12,051
because now you can evaluate what you

3305
02:35:17,081 --> 02:35:14,360
think I mean my impression is this guy's

3306
02:35:19,631 --> 02:35:17,091
a straight shooter something really

3307
02:35:21,461 --> 02:35:19,641
weird happened to him he's not just

3308
02:35:23,650 --> 02:35:21,471
telling a story you know you know when

3309
02:35:25,990 --> 02:35:23,660
people were telling stories and this guy

3310
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:26,000
is not telling a story he's just trying

3311
02:35:30,881 --> 02:35:27,530
to relate what really happened to him

3312
02:35:34,570 --> 02:35:30,891
the book is called aliens and the forest

3313
02:35:36,461 --> 02:35:34,580
the Cisco Grove UFO encounter our guests

3314
02:35:39,251 --> 02:35:36,471
have been noé tourists and ruben york

3315
02:35:41,171 --> 02:35:39,261
tay and they have this site roswell

3316
02:35:43,390 --> 02:35:41,181
books calm we'll have a link to it at

3317
02:35:45,220 --> 02:35:43,400
the para cast calm and that's where they

3318
02:35:46,450 --> 02:35:45,230
have this book available and other books

3319
02:35:49,480 --> 02:35:46,460
and of course you order directly from

3320
02:35:51,041 --> 02:35:49,490
them you know they get the extra piece

3321
02:35:53,890 --> 02:35:51,051
of money that amazon would otherwise

3322
02:35:54,131 --> 02:35:53,900
take so we are grateful to let them have

3323
02:35:56,980 --> 02:35:54,141
it

3324
02:35:59,200 --> 02:35:56,990
Chris O'Brien's got a place too Chris

3325
02:36:02,140 --> 02:35:59,210
tell us about your site well it's called

3326
02:36:05,970 --> 02:36:02,150
the podcast but we're revamping our

3327
02:36:10,480 --> 02:36:05,980
strange planet and I also want to put a

3328
02:36:13,240 --> 02:36:10,490
nod out to the Mexican Roswell book to

3329
02:36:15,820 --> 02:36:13,250
which I think para cast Lister's would

3330
02:36:17,950 --> 02:36:15,830
really gain some very interesting

3331
02:36:19,900 --> 02:36:17,960
insight into an intriguing little-known

3332
02:36:21,349 --> 02:36:19,910
case and maybe we'll have you back on

3333
02:36:23,420 --> 02:36:21,359
for that we definitely want to

3334
02:36:26,119 --> 02:36:23,430
absolutely you guys thank you so much

3335
02:36:29,000 --> 02:36:26,129
for being on this is really good good

3336
02:36:31,159 --> 02:36:29,010
stuff I mean please do come to the forum

3337
02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:31,169
all right thank you very much Chris and

3338
02:36:37,099 --> 02:36:33,449
Jean for the invitation having us on and

3339
02:36:38,389 --> 02:36:37,109
it's an honor being on your show and we

3340
02:36:54,149 --> 02:36:38,399
look forward to connecting with your

3341
02:37:00,550 --> 02:36:57,399
the para cast featuring Jim Steinberg

3342
02:37:03,540 --> 02:37:00,560
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3343
02:37:04,750 --> 02:37:03,550
presentation of making the impossible

3344
02:37:08,760 --> 02:37:04,760
Incorporated